Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

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Ploppy
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Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Ploppy » Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:38 pm

I have seen posts from Rick Blaine on here advising people in the UK. He seems wonderfully helpful and knowledgeable, so I hope that he sees this. I couldn't PM him as a new user.

Some background on me:
  • I am a late middle-aged female in the UK.
  • I think that I might have have had sleep apnoea for years. It has very recently got worse; I keep waking up in the night (and have problems getting back to sleep).
  • I saw my GP and was referred to my local NHS sleep centre (Papworth).
  • I found out that its waiting time is 7-8 months, so I went private and got a WatchPAT sleep test from thebettersleepclinic.co.uk.
  • I have recently got the results back: "Your AHI was 44.2, which indicates severe OSA".
  • I have got a Zoom consultation with a doctor (NHS sleep consultant) who works at thebettersleepclinic.co.uk scheduled for 12th September.
  • thebettersleepclinic.co.uk sells only one CPAP model, the AutoSet CPAP - Sefam S.Box, which from reading around seems i) obscure and ii) not a great machine.
I understand that I can buy my own CPAP machine only with a prescription? Presumably the doctor that I am seeing on the 12th could provide one? Is a prescription for a specific machine?

How does it work integrating a privately-bought CPAP machine with the NHS service (when I eventually see them)? Could they support any machine that I bought myself? I am currently thinking of a ResMed AirSense 10 AutoSet For Her. Is there anywhere that you can buy them from that gives professional advice and support in setting them up?

What other questions should I be asking the consultant on the 12th?

Thank you!
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rick blaine
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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by rick blaine » Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:06 am

Hi Ploppy, :)

I'm working on your reply.

Ploppy
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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Ploppy » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:07 pm

Hi Rick - I sent a PM thanking you for looking in to this (can do so since my first post) but would like to thank you again here. I am currently on holiday abroad and the waking during what sleep I get and insomnia combination is very bad indeed. I am think of getting the Sefam S.Box through the clnic that I mentioned anyway, as they will support me in setting it up and I need help.

Trinity
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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Trinity » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:25 am

Sorry for rescuscitating this but I happened to have gone to the same people for a diagnosis.

They sent me the Sefam machine but they won't let me change my pressure.

How did you find them?

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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Ploppy » Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:49 am

Sorry, I can't really help. When I spoke to the doctor from thebettersleepclinic.co.uk, she said that a privately-owned CPAP machine couldn't be integrated with NHS services. I decided that I didn't want to be tied into paying for their services forever, so I didn't get a Sefam machine from them.
Later, my sleep apnoea got worse and my GP re-referred me to the NHS as an urgent case. I got a CPAP machine (Lowenstein) before Christmas and have been getting used to it since then.

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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by rick blaine » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:56 am

Hi Trinity, Hi Ploppy,

Some background information that may help you put what any of the doctors tell you in context. :)

There are 150 or so foundation trust hospitals in the NHS and almost all of them now have a sleep-medicine department (or SMD). It used to be that almost all of these UK sleep-medicine departments standardised on one or the other of the two leading brands of CPAP machines – Philips Respironics or ResMed – and to go with each brand, SMDs bought the proprietary and clinically approved software from the manufacturers.

And as a consequence, PR-based SMDs in the NHS used only the software they got from PR UK, and ResMed-based SMDs in the NHS used only the software they got from ResMed UK.

It wasn't the best state-of-affairs – but it was stable. And it got turned right on its head when it was discovered that the foam insulation used for noise limitation inside some of PR's home machines might be – I repeat might be – pathogenic.

And what PR did internationally was to recall the entirety of some of their model range – both from individual customers like me, who bought machines directly from them, and from NHS sleep-department heads who had bought from PR in bulk.

And while PR's replacement program has been going on – for several years now – NHS sleep-medicine doctors and SMD heads have been faced with the problem: what 'new' brands do we buy instead?

And what software comes with it?

There is software that can 'read' both PR and ResMed – and several other brands of machine – but it is 'shareware' and official NHS policy is not to make use of it – because it is not official and not 'approved' and (it seems to me) SMDs are afraid that they might get accused of some illegality if they were to use it.

What this means Ploppy, and Trinity, is that yes, the current situation is Very Mixed Up.

Some sleep-medicine departments – such as mine, here in Gloucestershire – have done a bulk swap of PR machines. All the old PR 451 and 461 machines they had previously issued – over several years, I might add – were exchanged on one frantic Sunday a few weeks ago. Exchanged for brand-new PR DreamStation machines. Ie, my SMD is still standardised on Philips Respironics machines and sofware.

Other sleep-medicine departments have switched – but not necessarily to ResMed – because ResMed couldn't, in one bound, up their production to 'take on' the whole of the CPAP market. And certainly, in the UK, ResMed concentrated on (a) maintaining its existing share of the market, and (b) rolling out their long-planned new range of machines – but only at a rate and volume as to control upfront costs and investment, and make for planned profits.

So there rose in the NHS significant interest in brands other than ResMed and Philips Respironics. And with each other brand being offered, the question is: what about the software?

This is the background for your doctor saying your treatment might not 'integrate' with the NHS. (If I can, Trinity, I will say more than this over the next few days.)

As to 'thebettersleepclinic', I made it my business last September, Ploppy, and in response to your post, to check them out, via their website. And it appears that this outfit is based in or near Bristol, England, and is run by three doctors – Dr Laura Buckley, Dr David Garley, and Dr Rebecca Mason – each of whom has several years experience of treating sleep apnea within the NHS.

These doctors know from their experience that, when it comes to sleep apnea, there are now long waiting lists for being seen by, and for starting treatment within, the NHS, and they have set up their business to offer people an alternative.* (And, as far as I can see, these three doctors are keeping their existing jobs with the NHS as well as offering this 'private medicine' service.)

Consultations are via Zoom – as you say, Ploppy – the rise of which was greatly prompted by the Covid lockdown. As far as I can read from the website, the initial consultation is with a doctor, but thereafter, monitoring is done by specialist nurses – the same as it is in the NHS. And machines and software are as determined by the doctors.

Rick.

* There are some who might say said doctors are allowing people with enough money to 'jump the queue' on waiting lists. Others might say, no, they are taking pressure off the system by offering extra amounts of their time and clinical expertise.

And the push-back to that might be: 'Yes – yes, they are – but at a price." Most adults in work in the UK having already paid for the NHS through their taxes.

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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Trinity » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:43 pm

Thanks for your post :)

It's interesting to see what is going on.

I had to go to The Better Sleep Clinic because the NHS kept delaying, I had been waiting for months. This is not to slate the NHS, I am just stating why I had to go private.

The Doctor there did tell me he works for the NHS and the thought occurred that he had time to see me if I paid for it extra, but not if I went through the NHS, and that already annoyed me a bit.

The other thing is that they sent me a Sefam machine and they don't allow me to change the pressure. What if they go bust? Anyway when I said, "How did you find them?" I didn't mean that literally, I meant it as, "Did you think they were good or bad?" :)

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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by Eddi » Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:00 am

I was admitted to the Royal Papworth in August 2019. They are excellent. I was dying at the time. AHI 60+ and heart failure. I had no idea. Although I was booked in again, I had broken my leg in the meantime, so didn't get back until the December. They were surprised to see how much I changed. Lost weight and my heart was doing much better.

I am so glad you eventually got to the RP. They have given you the same machine I now use. I started on a NIPPY which is an oxygen concentrator, not a CPAP. I then went to Phillips CPAP, then an Auto Phillips, but because of the issues with Phillips I bought my own Resmed 10 Auto. The RP sent me a Lowenstein Prisma Super Max and I now use it. I prefer it. Works very well, quiet, and it gives deep sleep amount too.

I don't live far from RP, about 36m. Not that that makes any difference. If I can be of any help, message me. I am no expert at all but have been on the machines nightly ever since and have used various masks. My machine is an AUTOCPAP, APAP, with humidifier.

Kindest regards

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Re: Newly-diagnosed in the UK - need help

Post by zonker » Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:21 pm

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