Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by palerider » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Barb (Seattle) wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:04 pm
I am using the filter. NOT The ultrafine. Pretty sure the 2nd is optional.
Just making sure...
Barb (Seattle) wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:42 am
works even quieter without the foam one too,

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:08 pm

palerider wrote:
Barb (Seattle) wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:04 pm
I am using the filter. NOT The ultrafine. Pretty sure the 2nd is optional.
Just making sure...
Barb (Seattle) wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:42 am
works even quieter without the foam one too,
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Goofproof » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:58 pm

All the filters are optional, in this world everything is optional, that doesn't make everything a good idea! :lol: Jim
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Goofproof wrote:All the filters are optional, in this world everything is optional, that doesn't make everything a good idea! Image Jim
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by SnoringInOregon » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:36 am

If you carefully examine the fine filter when you remove a used one, you can see that it has become darker because of fine contaminants it has filtered from the air. Dust, pollen, smoke, whatever.

If you omit using the fine filter, then that dust winds up in the interior of your machine where it coats the air pump and the rest of the air path. Or it winds up in your lungs.

How much does it cost to replace a lung? How does that compare to the cost of a filter?

I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but I don't even want to use knockoff fine filters, e.g. what cpap.com sells. I only want the name brand Respironics ones I buy from my DME.

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Goofproof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:36 pm

You may not be built like the Detroit Diesel V-16 Engine's I worked on, but Two Tablespoons of Dirt and dust thru the intake system was enough to destroy them. A over $80,000 Rebuilt engine, weighting a few tons, But is sure you could live longer if you filtered dust out of your air intake too. Then again the filters for them cost about $ 1,000 hours a set (4).

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:30 pm

SnoringInOregon wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:36 am
If you carefully examine the fine filter when you remove a used one, you can see that it has become darker because of fine contaminants it has filtered from the air. Dust, pollen, smoke, whatever.

If you omit using the fine filter, then that dust winds up in the interior of your machine where it coats the air pump and the rest of the air path. Or it winds up in your lungs.

How much does it cost to replace a lung? How does that compare to the cost of a filter?

I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but I don't even want to use knockoff fine filters, e.g. what cpap.com sells. I only want the name brand Respironics ones I buy from my DME.
You are... unless you wear a mask with the equivalent of fine filters all day when not sleeping.

The course filter is enough to keep the larger dust and contaminants out of the cpap, and those are what will clog IT up.

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Goofproof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:34 pm

If you Nose Breath, your Nose hair handles the course stuff, the sinus & mucus handled the moisture, and clean out. Low tech, your body is, but it's all we have... Jim
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:40 pm

true, but if it makes enough noise that your sleep is disturbed...then, I'll stick with
my blue filter and leave the ultra one off either that or sleep without it, or earplugs (which make my inner ears break out :mrgreen:

SnoringInOregon wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:36 am
If you carefully examine the fine filter when you remove a used one, you can see that it has become darker because of fine contaminants it has filtered from the air. Dust, pollen, smoke, whatever.

If you omit using the fine filter, then that dust winds up in the interior of your machine where it coats the air pump and the rest of the air path. Or it winds up in your lungs.

How much does it cost to replace a lung? How does that compare to the cost of a filter?

I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but I don't even want to use knockoff fine filters, e.g. what cpap.com sells. I only want the name brand Respironics ones I buy from my DME.
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Goofproof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:51 pm

Barb (Seattle) wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:40 pm
true, but if it makes enough noise that your sleep is disturbed...then, I'll stick with
my blue filter and leave the ultra one off either that or sleep without it, or earplugs (which make my inner ears break out :mrgreen:

SnoringInOregon wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:36 am
If you carefully examine the fine filter when you remove a used one, you can see that it has become darker because of fine contaminants it has filtered from the air. Dust, pollen, smoke, whatever.

If you omit using the fine filter, then that dust winds up in the interior of your machine where it coats the air pump and the rest of the air path. Or it winds up in your lungs.

How much does it cost to replace a lung? How does that compare to the cost of a filter?

I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but I don't even want to use knockoff fine filters, e.g. what cpap.com sells. I only want the name brand Respironics ones I buy from my DME.
I could lend you a few million of my Cicada I have to listen to all the time i'm awake, the only time they sleep is when I go to sleep, then my tubes plug up and silence is good. Jim
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by SnoringInOregon » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:44 am

No I don't wear a filter or mask during the day. So I am exposing myself to plenty of pollution. But if I use my fine filter at night, I probably cut down my overall daily exposure by 25% or more over someone who doesn't. Also, fortunately, as far pollution as the USA goes, Oregon is pretty good (except when there are nearby forest fires).

Fine particulates are a serious health concern. Since they are mostly caused by the (very recent in evolutionary terms) industrial revolution, we haven't evolved to deal with them. Cilia and nose hairs don't filter them out. The really fine ones will actually pass through the lungs and into the bloodstream. I'm sure the fine filter lets a lot of that stuff through, but it probably also filters a lot out.

Anyone who wants to learn more can easily read Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particula ... th_effects

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by palerider » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:12 pm

SnoringInOregon wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:44 am
No I don't wear a filter or mask during the day. So I am exposing myself to plenty of pollution. But if I use my fine filter at night, I probably cut down my overall daily exposure by 25% or more over someone who doesn't. Also, fortunately, as far pollution as the USA goes, Oregon is pretty good (except when there are nearby forest fires).

Fine particulates are a serious health concern. Since they are mostly caused by the (very recent in evolutionary terms) industrial revolution, we haven't evolved to deal with them. Cilia and nose hairs don't filter them out. The really fine ones will actually pass through the lungs and into the bloodstream. I'm sure the fine filter lets a lot of that stuff through, but it probably also filters a lot out.

Anyone who wants to learn more can easily read Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particula ... th_effects
Freaking out about the importance of the fine filter, and then breathing completely unfiltered air during the day is rather disingenuous.

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Goofproof » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:34 pm

palerider wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:12 pm
SnoringInOregon wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:44 am
No I don't wear a filter or mask during the day. So I am exposing myself to plenty of pollution. But if I use my fine filter at night, I probably cut down my overall daily exposure by 25% or more over someone who doesn't. Also, fortunately, as far pollution as the USA goes, Oregon is pretty good (except when there are nearby forest fires).

Fine particulates are a serious health concern. Since they are mostly caused by the (very recent in evolutionary terms) industrial revolution, we haven't evolved to deal with them. Cilia and nose hairs don't filter them out. The really fine ones will actually pass through the lungs and into the bloodstream. I'm sure the fine filter lets a lot of that stuff through, but it probably also filters a lot out.

Anyone who wants to learn more can easily read Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particula ... th_effects
Freaking out about the importance of the fine filter, and then breathing completely unfiltered air during the day is rather disingenuous.
Maybe pollen doesn't come out at night, it could be afraid of the dark, I hope mold is too. Jim
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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by PaulKTF » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:28 pm

The filters are so cheap there's no reason not to use them.

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Re: Is the disposable filter a "must" ?

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:56 pm

PaulKTF wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:28 pm
The filters are so cheap there's no reason not to use them.
the ultrafine filter makes noise. I will not use it. I use the other filter that comes with the machine.
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