Does or has anyone dry camped with a Philips Respironics Bipap Auto SV Advanced System One Model 960P?

sam2jack · Post by **sam2jack** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm

<t>I bought a camper! This weekend and many other weekends, I hope to camp. My machine is as stated in the subject line. I researched the forum and was not able to find posts with my model of machine regarding camping. I definitely need my machine. 
 
I read the battery thread and what some others who camp are using and I admit - I don't understand how to make it happen for me. So I would love to hear from other campers who have the same machine (Model 960P) and who dry camp with the ASV. The State Park that we will be going to has no hookups. My camper will have battery and propane but that's it. I am assuming I will need to get another battery (what type), power cord and adapter cable to run the ASV with or without humidifier? This is dry Nevada so would prefer to use humidifier??? 
 
The machine manual says: 
• Always ensure that the DC power cord securely fits into your therapy device prior to use. Contact your home care provider or Philips Respironics to determine if you have the appropriate DC cord for your specific therapy device. 
• When DC power is obtained from a vehicle battery, the device should not be used while the vehicle’s engine is running. Damage to the device may occur. 
• Only use a Philips Respironics DC Power Cord and Battery Adapter Cable. Use of any other system may cause damage to the device. 
 
Looking for suggestions and/or advice on types of equipment needed from people who have the same machine please. Thank you very much. Love this forum!</t></t>

CapnLoki · Post by **CapnLoki** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:16 am

sam2jack wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm
I bought a camper! This weekend and many other weekends, I hope to camp.
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Looking for suggestions and/or advice on types of equipment needed from people who have the same machine please. Thank you very much. Love this forum!

First, your Respironics 960P is essentially the same as the entire Respironics Series One line, such as the common 560 Auto, though it may use a bit more power. It has the same power supply, and uses the same 12V cord for battery use ($30 from cpap.com). BTW, I live on a boat much of the summer with a 560. I don't have shore power but low humidity is not an issue for me.

The next question is how much power do you need? Humidity costs a lot and you don't mention how long you want to stay out.

And then there's the question of what kind of battery your camper has? If its just your car's starting battery you need something else, but trailers nowadays come with fairly large batteries so that may be sufficient. Do you have a generator or solar panels? Lots of stuff to consider.

Look though the thread listed in my signature - it goes on at length but most of the important stuff is on the first page. The quick answer is that if your camper has a large battery it should be able to power your device, but if you use humidity you'll have to recharge every day. Please post more particulars about your setup.

edatlanta · Post by **edatlanta** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 am

I am a full time RV'er and just started using a APAP just a little over 60 days ago. I will be boondocking at Talladega starting tomorrow for 6 days with zero hookups. I do have two golf cart batteries wired in series and an onboard generator which I will run for a bit each morning for coffee and in the evenings for a little bit for DirecTV, so I'm really only partially off of the grid. I am pretty sure my onboard battery charger will take care of the APAP usage, but if needed I can run the generator a little more each day. I'm really not concerned, but time will tell.

I have a Respironics APAP with humidifier which I will use. I have the Respironics DC power cord and I have used it here at my home base site as a trial run and it works fine. I'm not worried about battery capacity since I will be running the generator each day for a bit and the two golf cart batteries have a lot of capacity. My unit is DSX500H11C and it shows the current of 6.67amps on the bottom of the unit. Your model would have it's amperage on the label too I would think.

The reason Respironics says not to use the 12v cord with the engine running is the input voltage will be higher from the batteries when they are being charged and this higher voltage could damage the unit.

CapnLoki · Post by **CapnLoki** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:31 am

edatlanta wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 am
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My unit is DSX500H11C and it shows the current of 6.67amps on the bottom of the unit. Your model would have it's amperage on the label too I would think.

The reason Respironics says not to use the 12v cord with the engine running is the input voltage will be higher from the batteries when they are being charged and this higher voltage could damage the unit.

The current list on the tags on the pump (and power supply) are the maximum that is rarely, if ever, achieved. The typical load will be 0.5 to 1 amp for the pump alone, and up about 3 amps for the humidifier. Both vary considerably depending on settings and ambient conditions.

The pump should easily handle a normal charging voltage and the standard specification for the "cigarette lighter" socket is something like 11 to 15 volts. The problem is that car starters sometimes send a spike through the line that can damage electronics, though I haven't heard of this happening recently, and modern cars with computers try to suppress spikes. (There is still a problem with undervoltage when starting that could turn off a pump.) This is really just a disclaimer so they can void the warranty. On my boat I have dozens of electric and electronic appliances running periodically, and with solar panels or the engines running my 12V system can be anywhere from 11.5 to 14.6 and I haven't had a problem in 30 years.

That said, when my cpap is running, most of the boat is shut down and there is no charging. I certainly would not recommend running a car overnight while sleeping, but if one person was driving another could sleep with a cpap running.

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:36 am

CapnLoki wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:31 am

edatlanta wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 am
That said, when my cpap is running, most of the boat is shut down and there is no charging. I certainly would not recommend running a car overnight while sleeping, but if one person was driving another could sleep with a cpap running.
The one exception to that would be camping in a Hybrid like the Toyota Prius.
The 12 volt battery is small. When the car is in READY mode the 12 volt battery charges from the larger traction battery. If the large battery charge gets too low, the engine only runs long enough to replenish the charge and then stops.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:20 am

There are devices sold to convert your prius electrical system
into an emergency power supply.

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:51 am

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:20 am
There are devices sold to convert your prius electrical system
into an emergency power supply.

Only a very small (1KW) system is recommended. The Plugin Prius in Japan (Called the Prius Prime in the US & Canada) has some other options though, through their CHAdeMO system.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:26 am

The bullfrog was tempted; but I felt that some information was being left out.

sam2jack · Post by **sam2jack** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:14 am

CapnLoki wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:16 am

First, your Respironics 960P is essentially the same as the entire Respironics Series One line, such as the common 560 Auto, though it may use a bit more power. It has the same power supply, and uses the same 12V cord for battery use ($30 from cpap.com). BTW, I live on a boat much of the summer with a 560. I don't have shore power but low humidity is not an issue for me.

The next question is how much power do you need? Humidity costs a lot and you don't mention how long you want to stay out.

And then there's the question of what kind of battery your camper has? If its just your car's starting battery you need something else, but trailers nowadays come with fairly large batteries so that may be sufficient. Do you have a generator or solar panels? Lots of stuff to consider.

Look though the thread listed in my signature - it goes on at length but most of the important stuff is on the first page. The quick answer is that if your camper has a large battery it should be able to power your device, but if you use humidity you'll have to recharge every day. Please post more particulars about your setup.
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Thanks for your response. Sorry I left stuff out. My camper comes with a battery, so would not be using car. I am buying a Yamaha generator from Costco this week. A-1Power 1600W Running/2000W Peak. I would be charging up trailer battery daily or even twice daily if needed. I reread the thread in your signature and I'm getting a better feel for how it works. First time camping will be this weekend. I confess I have no idea how battery and propane work to operate the trailer. I will get a walk through of the trailer soon and hopefully will have a better idea. I would probably use the trailer battery for lights at night and will use propane to make coffee with an old fashioned percolator in the morning. My trailer only has 110 electrical plug ins inside. I assume those won't work if I am not plugged in to electric hook ups.

Thanks for your time - everyone who responded. Great help.

CarpeNoctum · Post by **CarpeNoctum** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:36 am

Hi Sam,
I've done lots of camping and have owned multiple RVs. Generally how they are set up is with a battery isolater that allows both batteries to charge when engine is running...but seperates batteries electrically (while not charging) so that you don't run the starter battery down. Any good RV repair place can set that up for you. Many campers have a cigarette lighter sucket which will supply 12v inside the camper...so look for that.

I also wanted to suggest that you consider using humidification without heat. I personally do not use heat and find it very comfortable. It will greatly decrease electrical usage.
Good luck and have fun,
CN

sam2jack · Post by **sam2jack** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 pm

CarpeNoctum wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:36 am
Hi Sam,
I've done lots of camping and have owned multiple RVs. Generally how they are set up is with a battery isolater that allows both batteries to charge when engine is running...but seperates batteries electrically (while not charging) so that you don't run the starter battery down. Any good RV repair place can set that up for you. Many campers have a cigarette lighter sucket which will supply 12v inside the camper...so look for that.

I also wanted to suggest that you consider using humidification without heat. I personally do not use heat and find it very comfortable. It will greatly decrease electrical usage.
Good luck and have fun,
CN

Thank you! I will do that!

CapnLoki · Post by **CapnLoki** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:06 pm

sam2jack wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:14 am
Thanks for your response. Sorry I left stuff out. My camper comes with a battery, so would not be using car. I am buying a Yamaha generator from Costco this week. A-1Power 1600W Running/2000W Peak. I would be charging up trailer battery daily or even twice daily if needed. I reread the thread in your signature and I'm getting a better feel for how it works. First time camping will be this weekend. I confess I have no idea how battery and propane work to operate the trailer. I will get a walk through of the trailer soon and hopefully will have a better idea. I would probably use the trailer battery for lights at night and will use propane to make coffee with an old fashioned percolator in the morning. My trailer only has 110 electrical plug ins inside. I assume those won't work if I am not plugged in to electric hook ups.

Thanks for your time - everyone who responded. Great help.

If you find yourself running the genset twice a day you may need bigger batteries - If you're living "off grid" ideally the battery bank should be about 3 times the daily usage, which allows you to draw down to about 50%, then charge back to 85% in about 1-2 hours of genset running. After years of daily charging I added a lot of solar.

Cooking on propane is not much different from cooking on a gas stove. Unless you actually like percolator coffee, you can do much better with a pour-over system. This is one area where we don't compromise on the boat - fresh ground and pour-over into a thermos.

You should be able to hook a 12V socket into the switch panel. I'm surprised there are none; I would have expected at least one. My boat came with one or 2 - now I'm up to 14 with 6 usb plugs.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:29 pm

CapnLoki wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:06 pm

sam2jack wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:14 am
Thanks for your response. Sorry I left stuff out. My camper comes with a battery, so would not be using car. I am buying a Yamaha generator from Costco this week. A-1Power 1600W Running/2000W Peak. I would be charging up trailer battery daily or even twice daily if needed. I reread the thread in your signature and I'm getting a better feel for how it works. First time camping will be this weekend. I confess I have no idea how battery and propane work to operate the trailer. I will get a walk through of the trailer soon and hopefully will have a better idea. I would probably use the trailer battery for lights at night and will use propane to make coffee with an old fashioned percolator in the morning. My trailer only has 110 electrical plug ins inside. I assume those won't work if I am not plugged in to electric hook ups.

Thanks for your time - everyone who responded. Great help.
If you find yourself running the genset twice a day you may need bigger batteries - If you're living "off grid" ideally the battery bank should be about 3 times the daily usage, which allows you to draw down to about 50%, then charge back to 85% in about 1-2 hours of genset running. After years of daily charging I added a lot of solar.

Cooking on propane is not much different from cooking on a gas stove. Unless you actually like percolator coffee, you can do much better with a pour-over system. This is one area where we don't compromise on the boat - fresh ground and pour-over into a thermos.

You should be able to hook a 12V socket into the switch panel. I'm surprised there are none; I would have expected at least one. My boat came with one or 2 - now I'm up to 14 with 6 usb plugs.

Coffee can also be cold brewed, check google, the wife loves it. Jim

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