Questions on portability/battery for CPAP

I am sure this has been covered before, I tried searching but didn't see anything specifically on what I needed to know. My apologies in advance.

I need a portable battery option for my ResMed AirSense10 Autoset. I can live without humidifier or heated tube while camping so I can turn that off, but I would like to get at least 2 days use, after the ramp up my unit is set to 15psi. I have seen battery units and all the adapters, but they are very expensive. My unit says it needs 24v, so am I to understand I can use pretty much any 12v battery pack as long as I get the converter to boost it to 24v? I see plenty of cheaper batteries out there, can I just get one of those and this and call it a day?

https://www.sleepdirect.com/parts-and-a ... irsense-10

Thank you for any info.

Hanzo wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:33 pm

... My unit says it needs 24v, so am I to understand I can use pretty much any 12v battery pack as long as I get the converter to boost it to 24v? I see plenty of cheaper batteries out there, can I just get one of those and this and call it a day?

https://www.sleepdirect.com/parts-and-a ... irsense-10

That converter is designed to work with a particular battery pack, which may or may not have enough power to run for two nights - it would certainly cover one night, but more depends on the settings. For more general use the ResMed version plugs into a "cigarette socket" so it can be fed by many batteries. The portable lithium packs that are designed for airline use will be a bit small for two nights at high pressure, and the larger packs are quite pricey. This leads to an AGM battery that can be sized to your needs and wallet. The downside is weight, so as long as you're not camping too far from the car it works. Details in the link in my signature.

I have the same machine. It is highly recommended to get the ResMed inverter.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... hines.html

I easily got 2 nights with a 35 Amp Hour AGM battery. I have a 100 watt solar system so I am prepared for power outages.

I'm sorry, I should have specified more, this can't be a large car/boat/golf cart size battery as I will be hiking with it.

The official Freedom battery pack on the CPAP site just looks like a normal lithium ion battery pack, I assumed it was just pricey since it was a "medical" item. From what I can tell it is about 8140mAh @ 12volts, I can get that for a quarter of the price, just trying to figure out if there is more too it or I am oversimplifying it.

Medistrom Pilot-24 Plus with the additional Co-Pilot-24 would probably give you several days....I haven't tested my setup (no Co-Pilot) yet. Not cheap however. Portability typically costs one a pretty penny unfortunately.

Dave

Hanzo wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:54 pm

I'm sorry, I should have specified more, this can't be a large car/boat/golf cart size battery as I will be hiking with it.

The official Freedom battery pack on the CPAP site just looks like a normal lithium ion battery pack, I assumed it was just pricey since it was a "medical" item. From what I can tell it is about 8140mAh @ 12volts, I can get that for a quarter of the price, just trying to figure out if there is more too it or I am oversimplifying it.

Just to be clear, the AGM batteries I'm talking about are not 50 pound golf cart size, the are much smaller. A 35AH "scooter" battery is 24 pounds, and they come even smaller, such as 14AH at 10 pounds.

That said, 10 lbs is still pretty heavy for hiking so you probably want a lithium pack. Although there is no great problem hooking a lithium pack to a 12/24 volt converter, many of these packs are designed for low current cell phone charging so there have been reports of shutting down during startup. Make sure whatever you get is returnable and well tested before hiking. There have been reports of success with various packs - search for the Poweradd 32000 which seemed to be popular. (Note: the 32000 refers to milliamp-hours at 3.6 volts so its about 10 AH at 12 volts.)

I'll check that out. I already own a fairly light weight lithium ion car jumping battery pack, I might just buy that 12 to 24 volt converter and give it a go. But yeah, even 10lbs for a battery is too much to carry when fully packed out with other things. Wish this stuff wasn't so pricey, was looking at a Z1 Auto unplugged portable CPAP with extended life battery to cut down on weight.....it was a $1000, I mean if I used it all the time sure...

Thanks everyone.

I have a AirSense10 and a AirMini. I recently bought the Medistrom Pilot-24 Plus with the additional Co-Pilot-24 for a flight to India because AirFrance wanted me to carry a battery I never used. The Medistrom requires an additional cable package for the airmini( includes DreamstationGo as well) I've used my AirMini/Medistorm for a recent boy scout camping trip and only used the Co-Pilot, so I think I could have done two nights with around 6 hours of usage each night. My machine runs APAP at around 14-15CM. As they are 24 volt batteries, no converters required. The only thing I don't like about the Medistrom was the in-ability to silence the alarm which I could do on the C-100 battery. I also have a older C266 that I have used with boy scouts, but its too big for in-flight use/carry, that battery was/is multi-night for the S9/S10. The C100 was generally < 1 night, on my S9. I also have a 50lb AGM battery sitting in the garage that I bought many many years ago when I first got my cpap and used with my S8.

The like the size of the airmini. I can fit it in my large laptop bag and not carry a separate bag for the CPAP when I travel. I have an eBags professional flight laptop bag. However as a mouth breather, I prefer having humidity and will take my Airsense 10 if I'm on a long trip and checking my bag. I've tried the suggested workaround to use the Z1 HME, but didn't seem to make much of a difference with the F20 mask I have. Since the Mini is only 20Watts of power, it will work better with airplane power and draw less power from the battery than the 75 watts the S10 requires. I didn't see a smaller power brick like the S9 has.

As folks mention you can certain carry the 3rd bag, but I find it a hassle which is why I like the AirMini. Is it worth the $900, not really sure, certainly didn't need it, its only a convinence, but I travel 1-2 times per month, so it certainly reduces the amount of stuff I'm carrying around. I like that i have a backup machine now as well.

Hanzo wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:59 am

I'll check that out. I already own a fairly light weight lithium ion car jumping battery pack, I might just buy that 12 to 24 volt converter and give it a go. But yeah, even 10lbs for a battery is too much to carry when fully packed out with other things. Wish this stuff wasn't so pricey, was looking at a Z1 Auto unplugged portable CPAP with extended life battery to cut down on weight.....it was a $1000, I mean if I used it all the time sure...

Thanks everyone.

If you used a travel pap full time it would be worn out when you really wanted it. Jim

Smaller is usually not a good idea for full time, to be smaller something has got to be left out, usually it's lifespand. Jim

Medistrom Pilot-24 Plus and Co-Pilot-24 weigh 1.8 pounds each.

Medistrom has a new lighter product called Pilot-24 Lite at 1.3 pounds for travel.

So where can you buy this Medistrom Pilot 24-LITE?

A google search turns up references to it from various CPAP suppliers but they only have product info and an opportunity to become a dealer. I've no interest in being a dealer I just want one for when I travel overseas. Amazon has all kinds of Pilot 24 and Pilot 24 - Plus but I can't find any website where i could buy the LITE version.

I'd like to know more about the product but frustrated I can't find pricing info.

dos coyotes wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:57 pm

So where can you buy this Medistrom Pilot 24-LITE?

A google search turns up references to it from various CPAP suppliers but they only have product info and an opportunity to become a dealer. I've no interest in being a dealer I just want one for when I travel overseas. Amazon has all kinds of Pilot 24 and Pilot 24 - Plus but I can't find any website where i could buy the LITE version.

I'd like to know more about the product but frustrated I can't find pricing info.

It seems very new...just seen it for the very first time at the Medistrom website.

Dave

As Dave said, its very new. I bought my Medistrom only 6-8 weeks ago and didn't see it. It seems like its about .5 pounds lighter and sacrifices about 3Ah of capacity. The lite is 95 vs. 98 in the non-lite battery. 100Ah is the largest allowed universally on airlines. I used one of the internet CPAP providers to purchase because they only sell through dealers.

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Hanzo wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:59 am

I'll check that out. I already own a fairly light weight lithium ion car jumping battery pack, I might just buy that 12 to 24 volt converter and give it a go. But yeah, even 10lbs for a battery is too much to carry when fully packed out with other things. Wish this stuff wasn't so pricey, was looking at a Z1 Auto unplugged portable CPAP with extended life battery to cut down on weight.....it was a $1000, I mean if I used it all the time sure...

Thanks everyone.

If you used a travel pap full time it would be worn out when you really wanted it. Jim

Smaller is usually not a good idea for full time, to be smaller something has got to be left out, usually it's lifespand. Jim

I meant I am not spending $1000 on something I'd use a few times a year.

As to the other posts, the Pilot and Co-Pilot look great, but $300-$500 bucks is what I was trying to avoid. That's the same range as the Freedom setup. I was more looking for unconventional cost savings methods.

I just posted this on another topic .. battery pack: https://buyminicpap.com/products/batter ... or-airmini

Lofta brings you the ultimate portable battery package for the ResMed AirMini and other popular CPAP devices. Made by Medistrom the Pilot-24 PLUS is the ultimate portable CPAP battery when you do not have access to normal power sources. A great solution for camping, boating road trips, during air travel or for an emergency power back-up. The battery can be easily re-charged with the included AC or DC power source. In addition, the Pilot-24 PLUS comes with additional features such as an LED light, a USB port for charging cell phones and other devices.