Resmed 10 and "Events Per Hour"

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Please don't scroll the charts up.

That said, your AHI is getting there.

Fantastic! Right now I’m focusing on leak prevention more than AHI. How does that look?

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:57 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Please don't scroll the charts up.

That said, your AHI is getting there.

Fantastic! Right now I’m focusing on leak prevention more than AHI. How does that look?

*puts on teachers hat*

Why don't you tell ME how you think it looks... and why... for both days.

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:57 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Please don't scroll the charts up.

That said, your AHI is getting there.

Fantastic! Right now I’m focusing on leak prevention more than AHI. How does that look?

*puts on teachers hat*

Why don't you tell ME how you think it looks... and why... for both days.

I'm looking for those shaded grey areas in the "Flow Rate" row and don't see any so I thought maybe it was better.

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:22 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:57 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Please don't scroll the charts up.

That said, your AHI is getting there.

Fantastic! Right now I’m focusing on leak prevention more than AHI. How does that look?

*puts on teachers hat*

Why don't you tell ME how you think it looks... and why... for both days.

I'm looking for those shaded grey areas in the "Flow Rate" row and don't see any so I thought maybe it was better.

Well, there's a strip chart showing the excess leak... how's it look? be sure to pay attention to the legend on the left.

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Well, there's a strip chart showing the excess leak... how's it look? be sure to pay attention to the legend on the left.
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"Large Leak %0.00" is good
Oddly the past 2-3 days I have felt really groggy and out-of-it. Clumsy, mid day naps, etc.. I feel the same today so far. Haven't looked at last nights charts yet. Today marks my 30th day.

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:23 pm

Well, there's a strip chart showing the excess leak... how's it look? be sure to pay attention to the legend on the left.

"Large Leak %0.00" is good
Oddly the past 2-3 days I have felt really groggy and out-of-it. Clumsy, mid day naps, etc.. I feel the same today so far. Haven't looked at last nights charts yet. Today marks my 30th day.

I want you to look at the leak chart itself, and get a bit of understanding about it, so that you can see how your leaks are during the night, not just looking for "REALLY BAD" places or the over all... then you'll never have to ask someone how they were, because you'll know.

We (forum members as a whole) are here to help you learn to help yourself.
We don't really want to be spoon feeding people forever...we want you to learn to feed yourself. We will help you try to learn how but you need to try to learn to help yourself. Heck, we may not be here some day to spoon feed you.

Yeah, it takes some thinking and reading and making the brain actually do some work.
But it's work that is worth it in the long run.

I will give you one quick hint or lesson that works for me when it comes to evaluating the leak numbers or graph....
Assuming the leaks aren't disrupting my sleep...I look at the leak graph and if it never hits 24 L/min...then it never gets into large leak territory and I don't have to do any more evaluation. I rarely even look at the % of time in large leak statistic because I think how deep is more important than how long. If you don't see any gray areas flagged as leak...none happened...end of story.
Nothing else to think about in terms of the leak. You move on to something else.

Now if I do happen to see some gray areas or numbers above 24 L/min a that time I might look further if there is much to look at.
That's another hint or lesson which I have repeated often and don't have time to go into it again now. I think I just gave that lecture yesterday and if not for sure the day before and probably more than once. I know it's probably buried in the tutorial somewhere but I do admit it isn't an easy read but I don't have the time to fix it because I keep spoon feeding people.

Do what I did when I was first starting therapy....take some time to read the posts of the forum members who are taking the time to explain things in detail. Read, read, read and then read some more. You will learn how to feed yourself if you take the time.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:34 pm

We (forum members as a whole) are here to help you learn to help yourself.
We don't really want to be spoon feeding people forever...we want you to learn to feed yourself. We will help you try to learn how but you need to try to learn to help yourself. Heck, we may not be here some day to spoon feed you.

Yeah, it takes some thinking and reading and making the brain actually do some work.
But it's work that is worth it in the long run.

I will give you one quick hint or lesson that works for me when it comes to evaluating the leak numbers or graph....
Assuming the leaks aren't disrupting my sleep...I look at the leak graph and if it never hits 24 L/min...then it never gets into large leak territory and I don't have to do any more evaluation. I rarely even look at the % of time in large leak statistic because I think how deep is more important than how long. If you don't see any gray areas flagged as leak...none happened...end of story.
Nothing else to think about in terms of the leak. You move on to something else.

Now if I do happen to see some gray areas or numbers above 24 L/min a that time I might look further if there is much to look at.
That's another hint or lesson which I have repeated often and don't have time to go into it again now. I think I just gave that lecture yesterday and if not for sure the day before and probably more than once. I know it's probably buried in the tutorial somewhere but I do admit it isn't an easy read but I don't have the time to fix it because I keep spoon feeding people.

Do what I did when I was first starting therapy....take some time to read the posts of the forum members who are taking the time to explain things in detail. Read, read, read and then read some more. You will learn how to feed yourself if you take the time.

I thought I was just following your guys instructions. In the beginning it was like "don't try to read the charts leave that up to the pros". Now it's like, "learn to read the charts man". I understand, you're busy with all the posts and life. I can learn to read the charts. Believe me I have been spending plenty of time reading and learning. I spent an hour in the 'start here/cleaning' section alone (and still not sure about vinegar vs. soap ).

Please have sympathy if you can. I am 30 days in and still at step one: fixing the leaks/finding the right mask and/or "gear" so that I can move on with proper machine settings and eventually....sleep.
I am taping my mouth shut every night to eliminate that exhaust port.
I have moved down to a size small Philips Dreamwear Mask and small Nasal Pillow (didn't see this option to change my profile). It's obviously too small running approx. 1/2 inch under my eyes but I've been wearing it anyway and I think it's the reason for the improved (leakage) charts.
For research sake, I have been removing the mask the first time it wakes me up and going the rest of the night without it. My understanding is that I will get a more accurate reading this way without all the sleep/wake garbage skewing the results.

Thanks for the tips BTW guys. I'm doing my best here.

I have never said "leave it up to the pros" to anyone here. Instead I tend to write small novels explaining why I suggest an idea.
It's all done in an effort to educate.

Other people who don't understand what they see on the charts or aren't comfortable offering their thoughts might say something like that meaning...wait until someone with experience offers their thoughts but we aren't a report reading service here.

And I really hate it when people cop an attitude because they don't like the response they get.
And while I am on my soap box I hate it when someone posts just a report without explanation of what is going on. How they feel....how they slept...why the short hours, etc.
I am only human...if I don't get what I need to form an opinion then most of the time no opinion will be offered especially if someone else has already responded and I have nothing to add because no additional information was offered.
I have a life outside this forum believe it or not. My mom has breast cancer and she's 85 and not doing well. I have my own health issues. When people catch me on a "bad" day...it's usually not very pretty and they cop an attitude or even if I think there is an attitude. People need to learn to feed themselves ...I might not be around some day to do the feeding.

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:44 pm

For research sake, I have been removing the mask the first time it wakes me up and going the rest of the night without it. My understanding is that I will get a more accurate reading this way without all the sleep/wake garbage skewing the results.

This little tidbit would have been nice to know ahead of time.
Please don't do that. I would much rather have to sort through SWJ than know you slept without the mask and went untreated.
You can learn how to sort through it also. No, it's not fast or easy but the only thing that I ever ask of anyone is that they try to learn to help themselves.
Did you ever go here and read and watch the videos?
http://freecpapadvice.com/sleepyhead-free-software
Did you ever event try to read the SleepyHead tutorial that I did? I know it's far from perfect but did you even try to read part of it?
I know it is far from perfect but so am I and it was all I could do.

I am more than willing to try to educate so that people can feed themselves...but people have to try and I have to know that they are trying and without an attitude. I am happy with baby steps trying.
I don't do well with excuses though.

And in case anyone is wondering....I am a bit crabby today. Somethings are going on that are really stressing me out so you get either the crabby me or no me for a couple of weeks. I am fast coming to the "pugsy needs a vacation from the forum" thing.

Sluggish wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:44 pm

I thought I was just following your guys instructions. In the beginning it was like "don't try to read the charts leave that up to the pros". Now it's like, "learn to read the charts man".

Both Pugsy and I... and others, believe that the true value is not in doing everything for you, but in enabling you to do it for yourself, with guidance as needed.

I don't want to tell you how to do everything from now on. I never did... I want to teach you how to make good decisions on your own, and make the absolute best you can out of your cpap experience.

I don't think any of the 'pros' here would tell you not to learn and expand your knowledge and abilities. I'm sorry if you got that impression from someone, it's not what we're about.

And, please be aware, I'm trying to guide you to understanding, not saying "hey, buddy, fork off, I'm busy!" it'd be much easier to just say "yeah, it looks good" instead of taking the time to help you get to the point where you can glance at it and say "yeah, that looks good"

Heard loud and clear.
After 30 days I think I’m giving this machine a break anyway. It hasn’t really improved my quality of life, quite the opposite really. Thanks for all your hard work. It is truly appreciated by myself and the community.

You all are THE BEST! I read every word from the first post and learned so much from you all trying to guide Sluggish on his frustrating journey through mask land. I am on my 5th mask try which I wish he had been able to afford to do. The numbers I now know mean basically nothing when the mask doesn’t fit.

MimiLou wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:47 am

You all are THE BEST! I read every word from the first post and learned so much from you all trying to guide Sluggish on his frustrating journey through mask land. I am on my 5th mask try which I wish he had been able to afford to do. The numbers I now know mean basically nothing when the mask doesn’t fit.

Yes the team is great! I haven’t given up. Just taking a break in order to get some sleep and sanity back in my life. Currently using an oral device that pulls my tongue forward while I explore other mask options.

Sluggish, I am so happy you are taking a break, especially if you don't have time restrictions....I thought the AirTouch F20 mask was my solution to poor mask fits but every morning since the first wearing I have woken up looking like a bubble eye goldfish with distressing water sacs under my eyes which distress me greatly.
I am going to try something else. I like the Amara View FFM and new DreamWear FFM (both by Phillips Respironics) where the nose itself is into the mask but not totally enclosed up to the bridge of the nose...I had given up on them because I couldn't get a good seal when pressures changed but I think I will try one of those liners recommended by in the know posters to see if that helps since I asked to have my pressures steady at 14.4 which intercept more than 75% of my events.
I learned so much from your journey...most of all that I have great company on this journey.

MimiLou wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:44 am

Sluggish, I am so happy you are taking a break, especially if you don't have time restrictions....I thought the AirTouch F20 mask was my solution to poor mask fits but every morning since the first wearing I have woken up looking like a bubble eye goldfish with distressing water sacs under my eyes which distress me greatly.
I am going to try something else. I like the Amara View FFM and new DreamWear FFM (both by Phillips Respironics) where the nose itself is into the mask but not totally enclosed up to the bridge of the nose...I had given up on them because I couldn't get a good seal when pressures changed but I think I will try one of those liners recommended by in the know posters to see if that helps since I asked to have my pressures steady at 14.4 which intercept more than 75% of my events.
I learned so much from your journey...most of all that I have great company on this journey.

Let me know if you ever find a mask that works. I’m not sure why the Philips Dreamewar w/nasal pillow seems to work for a large majority of people (like 99%) but not me. I really wanted to make this mask work as it is by far the best design I’ve seen/used. Sadly no matter what I tried I always woke up with leaks from the mask being out of position somehow. All the videos on YouTube that show how easy it is to sleep on your side involve the subject lifting his/her head and then gently resting it back down in the new position. The reality is, nobody sleeps like that.