What if...?

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:27 pm

We happen to use CPAP to overcome the symptoms of a closed airway.

Perhaps that's why YOU use CPAP. I, on the other hand, use CPAP to PREVENT inappropriate closure of the airway during sleep. And my understanding is that it is impossible for me to have "symptoms" that result from something that does not happen.

ChicagoGranny, That is very useful information. I think we all need to be more active and walking uphill is a great exercise. An additional incentive is that it helps prevents wrinkling.

Jeff, details, details, details.

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:35 pm

Jeff, details, details, details.

For those stuck in sympathetic nervous dominance and trying to move over to a parasympathetic state so they can enjoy a more restful sleep here is an exercise that may help.

http://www.relaxationresponse.org/steps/

HoseCrusher has a long history of being sucked in by woo and rejecting science. Of course, he has never found one bit of woo that actually did anything good for himself.

I thought woo is what you pitched to meet an attractive member of the opposite sex?

woo
n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas. Short for "woo woo".

woo-woo
(see also woowoo) adj. descriptive of an event or person espousing New Age theories such as energy work, crystal magic, Reiki, bizarrely restrictive diets, or supernatural/paranormal/psychic occurrences; often has studied in an authentic religious tradition such as Hinduism or Zen Buddhism, but now practices an Eastern-influenced yet severely watered-down and Westernized pseudo-mysticism; can also be a synonym for sketchy, probably because Santa Fe, NM and Sedona, AZ, self-proclaimed woo-woo capitals of the world, also have a large and skeptical rock climbing population.

"She's so woo-woo she put a rose quartz crystal and Bach Flower Essences in her cat's water dish."

"That yoga retreat looks completely woo-woo to me."

Keep it simple, like me.
I use the cpap, and laugh at feng shui.

So what does pitching your woo mean? They would not lead me astray ARE YOU BEING SERVED When they used the term pitching your woo to mean the process of wooing some one. I will take ARE YOU BEING SERVED over any dictionary for the meaning of words!

lastlib, it is interesting you bring results up...

I am really sorry that you are unable to think beyond what is jammed down your throat as science, but there are a lot of challenges going on that realize that the initial science was flawed and new evidence comes up with something a little different. If this is woo, bring it on.

So let's look at the science. Are you suggesting that the body is stupid?

Are you suggesting that the body doesn't try to repair and heal itself?

Are you saying that the body doesn't adapt to stresses?

All I am asking is What If the symptom classified as sleep apnea is simply an adaptive response of the body to a particular stress. If that is so, then removing the stress should allow the body to adapt to healing.

In my case I already breath through my nose so I gained nothing by contemplating how to breathe. I did look at preparing myself for sleep and did an in depth look at my current set of stressors. Through quiet introspection and greatly improving my sleep hygiene I have noticed improvements in my sleep data.

Now since you are totally pessimistic to any change from the status quo you will remind me that any short term change I see is totally irrelevant. While that may be true from your perspective, it totally matters to me. Since I am on a journey toward my specific health, your opinion of my search for a root cause of sleep apnea doesn't matter much to me. Take it or leave it. That is your choice.

While I wake up in the morning rested and ready to greet the day, I am finding that exploring a possible root cause and taking measure to eliminate that allows me to greet the day with an additional measure of peacefulness and rest. That seems good to me.

You may have already reached perfection, but I am still working on it.

What have you found to be the root cause of sleep apnea?

It's the nail.

https://youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg

lastlib wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:16 pm

So what does pitching your woo mean? They would not lead me astray ARE YOU BEING SERVED When they used the term pitching your woo to mean the process of wooing some one. I will take ARE YOU BEING SERVED over any dictionary for the meaning of words!

Ask your beloved TV show what "homograph" means.

Isn't this interesting...

It appears that treating the symptom of sleep apnea with CPAP and instructions on healthy sleep habits doesn't reduce cardiovascular risk...

https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press- ... ar-benefit

Sleep apnea can lead to greater cardiovascular risk, but treating the symptom doesn't seem to be enough to reverse the risk.

What if exploring and eliminating the root causes had better outcomes...?

Perhaps they need to do a study looking at using CPAP at night and skipping during the day.

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:20 pm

It appears that treating the symptom of sleep apnea with CPAP and instructions on healthy sleep habits doesn't reduce cardiovascular risk...

https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press- ... ar-benefit

Your interpretation of the study is much too broad. Here is the group of CPAP users they studied:

Participants were predominantly elderly (approximately 61 years), overweight, habitually snoring males – all with coronary artery or cerebrovascular disease.

These people were already in bad shape.

Plus, look at the usage figures for the CPAPers:

the average CPAP adherence of approximately 3.3 hours per night was as expected

This is bordering on ridiculous to call someone a CPAP user who averages 3.3 hour per night on CPAP.

You are reading way too much into that study.

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:20 pm

Perhaps they need to do a study looking at using CPAP at night and skipping during the day.

For the casual reader, you might want to clarify what is meant by "skipping":

skip verb
gerund or present participle: skipping
move along lightly, stepping from one foot to the other with a hop or bounce.
"she began to skip down the path"