Is the humidifier heating?

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Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Just got my new AirSense 10 AutoSet machine yesterday replacing the Respironics System One 550 due to broken humidifier (not heating). However, I could only tolerate the new machine for two hours last night as a result of discomfort, cold air feeling. I've been used to heated humidifier because of my allergy to cold air. Now I just wonder if there is heating function in the machine. I checked on Resmed's site but could find nothing about this. Anyone has the same experience or know more about the machine? Thanks!

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by Pugsy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Did you get the heated hose with it? If so, at what temp was it set.

If no, what is the humidity setting?

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Thank you for the prompt response. It didn't come with the heated hose and the humid setting is 4.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by Pugsy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:33 pm

You need the heated hose if you don't like cold air. It will make a huge difference in your comfort.
In the meantime if you don't have hose cozy to help you might try to find some old socks and cut the toe out and slide them over the hose so that the air in the hose doesn't cool quite so much.

For checking to make sure that the humidifier is heating check the warm up feature that is available on your machine.
See the manual.
https://sleep.tnet.com/home/files/resme ... -guide.pdf
After about 20 minutes pull the water chamber out and test the bottom of the chamber to see if it is warm or not.
You could try turning it up from the setting of 4 but I don't know if it will warm the air enough to suit you.
Depends a lot on just how cool you keep the bedroom and house in general.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:59 pm

Thank you so much for the suggestions, Pugsy!

I'll contact my health service provider and try to get the heated hose ASAP. Meanwhile, I'll definitely try the humidity setting and tubing cover as well. Really appreciated your input.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:40 pm

Day 6 with the new machine, suffering!

I talked to my health service provider on 3/14 and was told to try the humidifier setting to a higher level and see what would happen, then they'd decide if I needed a heated hose. They said the machine did have a heating function. The adjustment of the humidifier level solved the problem of the cold air issue after I played around with it several times. However, a new problem emerged! For the 6 nights after with the new machine, the longest time I could bear is little more than 4 hours. The other 4 nights were for about 2 hours, and last night, I tried 3 times but had to give it up due to a big problem - I had a hard breathing problem! I mean I could hardly breath as soon as I put on my mask! In the moment, I had to take deep breaths at an interval of about 30 seconds! I had a panic feeling as a result of discomfort and worry. Finally, I had to get rid of the head gear and went to sleep without a CPAP! Actually, I've been suffering from day one, feeling dizzy, headache and even vomiting once (this issue triggered my old migraine). I'm wondering what might be the causes, and finally came up to a conclusion that this might be related to the performance of the new machine! The reason is that this has never happened with my old machine - the Respironics System One 50 Series. I doubt the power of the air blowing is not enough, even though the pressure is set at 8-20. I suspect that the pressure standards are different between the two manufacturers. Anyway, I'll have to call my health service provider again to try to return the new machine and get a replacement of the humidifier for my old friend, the Respironics System One. So disappointed and with a drowsy head.... :cry:

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by D.H. » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:45 pm

After several hours the water in the tank should be warm to the touch.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Is your EPR (exhale pressure relief) turned on by chance and if so what is the setting?
You will likely need to go into the clinical setup menu area to see if EPR is on and at what settiing.

Is the ramp setting turned on?....again you need to be in the clinical setup menu area to know the answer to that question.

Go into the new machine setup menu and write down ALL the settings you see available and what each is set at.

Do the same for the old 50 series machine please.

Let's see what is maybe different. I have an idea but need to know exactly what all those settings are.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:26 pm

Thank you so much, Pugsy! You seem to help all the time here.

Yes. I did go to the clinical settings and found all the settings are set at "ON" except the Flight Mode. But I have to make sure about the EPR setting which seems new to me. Actually I tried to change the pressure setting from 8-20 to 9-20, but no difference seen. The therapist at the Sleep Lab did transfer all settings from the 50 series, which I had played around for 7 years. For your information, I used the 3M paper tape to seal my mouth for several years after struggling for the leaks with different masks, and I finally gave up this remedy about 10 months ago when I started using the Mirage FX Nasal Mask. This mask is the best I've ever used and it seems there is a suction occurred which enabled me to quit using the tape. This is a great relief after so many years with a sealed mouth at night! But now I have to return to this remedy in the hope that it will prevent any leaking.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:38 pm

I need to know if ramp is being used...and if it is at what starting point for how long.
I need to know the other settings.

And FWIW....the settings on the Respironics might be similar when looking at the minimum and maximum pressure settings but the exhale relief is done differently (called Flex on the Respironics) and with Respironics you can pick and choose the ramp from the ramp button but no such ramp button on the ResMed. It's either on or off and you control it from the setup menu area.
Flex at 2 isn't the same as EPR at 2.

I have used (and own both brands) so I am familiar with how they work.

Your suffocation feelings...might be related to something other than the minimum and maximum settings...that's why I want to know all the settings from both machines so I can see if there is some little something that might be different enough to cause your distress.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:57 pm

Sure. I'll check tonight and let you know. The Flex setting at the 50 series is 3. The Ramp setting at the new machines is "ON".

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:07 pm

colomb wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:57 pm
The Ramp setting at the new machines is "ON".

This means that when the machine starts up that the pressure is only at 4 cm unless the default ramp setting has been changed which is highly unlikely.

Most people who are used to 8 cm will find that using 4 cm will make them feel like they are suffocating.
Common complaint....simply not enough air moving for comfort especially when used to more pressure.

Turn the ramp off (in the set up menu area) and see if that helps or not in what you are experiencing at the beginning of the night.

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:12 pm

Will do! Really appreciate your help. Thanks!

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by RicaLynn » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:32 am

Something I stumbled across the hard way with the AirSense: Make sure the power supply is SNUG to the back of the machine. I work in a nursing home, and had a resident who was religious about using her CPAP, even during frequent daytime naps. She called and asked me to refill her humidifier tank, but upon examination the tank was still full and the warming plate cool to the touch. I checked the settings, all was in order. I told her I would check with the nurse and see if we could call her DME, but I knew that could take a couple days. I later went back into the room and checked the power cords, since the machine had been on her overbed table and therefore moved around quite a bit. I found that the power cord was loose from the back a fraction of an inch -- not enough to disable the machine itself, but apparently affecting the humidifier connection. Snugged it up, set the machine to warm, Hey Presto! Warming humidifier...

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Re: Is the humidifier heating?

Post by colomb » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:05 pm

Hi Pugsy,

You know what? I turned off the RAMP setting and it worked! No more suffocating! I had a very good sleep last night. I also checked the EPR setting and found the following result.

EPR: On
APR Type: Full Time
EPR Level: 3

For testing purpose, I just turned off the RAMP function and didn't touch the EPR settings. I got the best rest last night in the 1st week! Other settings are as follows.

Humidity Level: 4
Pressure Relief: On
SmartStart: On
Mask: Nasal
Tube: Standard
Run Mask Fit: On
Run Warmup: On
Therapy
Mode: AutoSet
Max Pressure: 20.0
Min Pressure: 8.0
AB Filter: No
Options
Essentials: Plus

I didn't get the settings from my old machine as I lost the software on my desktop.

Thank you so much for the guidance and help!

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