Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:17 pm

JerryL wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 pm
Even if this doesn't end my apnea, might it change the pressure I need? If so, would that be a good reason to get an AutoPAP (APAP) machine instead of a CPAP machine?
In answer to your question... after losing weight 'some' people find that their pressure needs change. Mine didn't though; it stayed the same. In any event, if it were me, I'd get a APAP/BiPap machine. Better to have it than not. Good luck by the way!
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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by PC212 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm

Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by palerider » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:48 pm

PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Since you're new, ignorant, and mouthy, I'll just point out that there are plenty of skinny people that have sleep apnea, and that weight loss is no guarantee of "curing" sleep apnea.

For some people, weight loss makes the sleep apnea worse.

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm

PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Wrong on all counts.


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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by PC212 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:05 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Wrong on all counts.


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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by PC212 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:14 pm

palerider wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:48 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Since you're new, ignorant, and mouthy, I'll just point out that there are plenty of skinny people that have sleep apnea, and that weight loss is no guarantee of "curing" sleep apnea.

For some people, weight loss makes the sleep apnea worse.
In order for you to insult me I would have to value your opinion. Nice try though.

To the original poster: Seriously man, dont be put down by these guys, they cannot do it and thats why they say you can never get off it, I've witnessed people getting off CPAP with simple lifestyle changes. These are the same people who thought no one can land on moon, but yet we did!

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 pm

PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:05 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Wrong on all counts.


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Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute. This forum is just that way.
I've been "contributing" to this forum for 13 years.
Most "surgeries" ( like UPPP ) have not worked for very long and then the user is back on CPAP or Bi-level therapy, often at higher pressures. Some surgeries have helped....such as turbinate surgeries, MMA ( Maxillomandibular Advancement ) or tonsillectomies.
Weight gain is more often than not the RESULT of Sleep Apnea. Losing the weight doesn't guarantee that the Sleep Apnea will go away.

These things have been discussed at great length over the last 13 years. ( with documentation )


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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by PC212 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:33 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:05 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Wrong on all counts.


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Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute. This forum is just that way.
I've been "contributing" to this forum for 13 years.
Most "surgeries" ( like UPPP ) have not worked for very long and then the user is back on CPAP or Bi-level therapy, often at higher pressures. Some surgeries have helped....such as turbinate surgeries, MMA ( Maxillomandibular Advancement ) or tonsillectomies.
Weight gain is more often than not the RESULT of Sleep Apnea. Losing the weight doesn't guarantee that the Sleep Apnea will go away.

These things have been discussed at great length over the last 13 years. ( with documentation )


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There!! Now we're talking old man. See, Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it..
So you cannot say wrong to the idea of weight loss (as per "great lengthy" discussion which is documentated over 13 years)

Losing weight does not guarantee but cannot be ruled out, im telling ya the same thing :)

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:47 pm

PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:05 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Wrong on all counts.


Den

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Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute. This forum is just that way.
I've been "contributing" to this forum for 13 years.
Most "surgeries" ( like UPPP ) have not worked for very long and then the user is back on CPAP or Bi-level therapy, often at higher pressures. Some surgeries have helped....such as turbinate surgeries, MMA ( Maxillomandibular Advancement ) or tonsillectomies.
Weight gain is more often than not the RESULT of Sleep Apnea. Losing the weight doesn't guarantee that the Sleep Apnea will go away.

These things have been discussed at great length over the last 13 years. ( with documentation )


Den

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There!! Now we're talking old man. See, Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it..
So you cannot say wrong to the idea of weight loss (as per "great lengthy" discussion which is documentated over 13 years)

Losing weight does not guarantee but cannot be ruled out, im telling ya the same thing :)
You originally put it in "absolute" terms......"you will be off CPAP" and "go for a surgery (which is also proven)"

There are no "absolutes" in almost anything regarding this therapy (or life in general).
That's what I was trying to point out.


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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by PC212 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:50 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:47 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:05 pm
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm


Wrong on all counts.


Den

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Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute. This forum is just that way.
I've been "contributing" to this forum for 13 years.
Most "surgeries" ( like UPPP ) have not worked for very long and then the user is back on CPAP or Bi-level therapy, often at higher pressures. Some surgeries have helped....such as turbinate surgeries, MMA ( Maxillomandibular Advancement ) or tonsillectomies.
Weight gain is more often than not the RESULT of Sleep Apnea. Losing the weight doesn't guarantee that the Sleep Apnea will go away.

These things have been discussed at great length over the last 13 years. ( with documentation )


Den

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There!! Now we're talking old man. See, Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it..
So you cannot say wrong to the idea of weight loss (as per "great lengthy" discussion which is documentated over 13 years)

Losing weight does not guarantee but cannot be ruled out, im telling ya the same thing :)
You originally put it in "absolute" terms......"you will be off CPAP" and "go for a surgery (which is also proven)"

There are no "absolutes" in almost anything regarding this therapy (or life in general).
That's what I was trying to point out.


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Put your glasses on, there is a word called "Depends"

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by D.H. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:08 am

JerryL wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 pm
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D.H. wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:01 am
For some who are severely obese, losing a large amount of weight - through surgery or any other means - could possibly do this. Also, some other surgeries might help (removal of excess throat tissue, for instance).
Thanks!

My previous doctor told me "Sleep apnea is caused by being overweight, so you should exercise and lose weight instead of getting CPAP." But then I got another doctor, who said my earlier doctor was wrong. He said, "If you have apnea, you're tired all the time -- so you don't have the energy to exercise! You should do CPAP first, and then maybe you'll have energy to exercise."

Your replies made me think of another question. Suppose that I begin my xPAP therapy, and then subsequently I lose weight. Even if this doesn't end my apnea, might it change the pressure I need? If so, would that be a good reason to get an AutoPAP (APAP) machine instead of a CPAP machine?
For most of us, being able to go off CPAP due to weight loss is "pie in the sky." Being overweight can cause Sleep Apnea (or make it worse), but Sleep Apnea can also cause one to gain weight. Of course, don't let that discourage you from losing weight, there are other benefits to weight loss.

Also, If you're using an automatic, you will always receive at least the minimum pressure that you have set (except during ramp time). All CPAPs (no matter what they tell you) can be adjusted in increments of 1cmH2O or finer. Most CPAPs can go no lower than 4 and no higher than 20.

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Wulfman... » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:26 pm

PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:50 pm

Put your glasses on, there is a word called "Depends"
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Except.......you followed the word "depends" with the two "absolutes"......option A or option B......either of which you imply will alleviate the need for CPAP therapy. It ain't that simple.


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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Goofproof » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:47 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:26 pm
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:50 pm

Put your glasses on, there is a word called "Depends"
PC212 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:22 pm
Depends, if you lose weight then you will be off CPAP. Or go for a surgery (which is also proven). Dont be demotivated, you could get off it if you work to your goal. All the best man.
Except.......you followed the word "depends" with the two "absolutes"......option A or option B......either of which you imply will alleviate the need for CPAP therapy. It ain't that simple.


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Looks like his Depends are full of 1 & 2! :lol: Jim
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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by Superball » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 am

JerryL wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:00 am
Related question: If someone with OSA uses xPAP therapy, and it does help them, will they become dependent on it? Suppose identical twins Frank and Joe both have the same OSA. At age 40, Frank goes on CPAP and it helps him tremendously, while Joe gets no treatment at all. Then at age 45, Frank stops CPAP. Will Frank be more tired than Joe, because his body got accustomed to using CPAP and now is being deprived of it, while Joe has never used it at all?
Hi JerryL:
I think this is a very good question - does CPAP potentially have a "bounce-back" risk (like blood pressure medication) if you stop using it after a long period? Unfortunately, it looks like you're extremely unlikely to get an answer.

Check this out:
http://jtd.amegroups.com/article/view/18309/14518

This paper talks about how a study to answer this question could work, and why we're so far away from being able to do it properly. When it comes to CPAP, horribly-flawed studies are the rule rather than the exception. For example:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1606599
This study puts a scary conclusion up front (CPAP won't help the increased risk of heart attacks caused by sleep apnea). But if you read a bit further, you'll see the mean adherence to CPAP was less than three and a half hours a night. The results are complete nonsense.

Since most CPAP studies are like this for questions much simpler than yours, we'll probably never know the answer :(

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Re: Can someone need CPAP for a while, but not permanently?

Post by D.H. » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:41 am

According to my sleep doc, Obstructive Sleep Apnea does not get "worse" because of CPAP use. He does not believe that I would have more or worse apneas by skipping a night as opposed to how I would do on a given night if i never used CPAP. In fact, he told me, that snoring and apneas Cause irritation to the throat, and that would make apnea worse.

The caveat here is that a skipped night for a long-term user, would be, in effect, Sleep Apnea of sudden onset!

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