Problems with airflow for Resmed P10

realshelby wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:25 pm

the same or higher actual airflow.

The purpose for the vent, as I understand it, is to vent CO2. So no venting would mean, uh, no venting. Get that mesh wet, put your hand over the end of the mask mini-tube, blow out with all your might, and you will find that no air can escape. I personally have not found that to be the case with any other mask I have had the privilege of using. Other masks I have used not only still allow CO2/air to escape but actually allow water droplets to escape during mask use. So it isn't a matter of airflow into and out of the lungs, or a matter of pressure, but a matter, I believe, of buildup of CO2 that is at issue. For me, at least. And that's just because I choose not to use the climate-control hose because I prefer a lighter hose on nasal masks. I doubt this would be an issue for anyone using the climate-control hose to prevent rain-out. I love that word "issue"; it has such a nice mental/emotional ring to it.

But, hey, I'm just some crazy guy on the Internet punching holes in medical equipment willy-nilly. That's why they won't allow me inside the space station anymore. So no need to take my crazy ideas seriously. I don't even listen to me half the time.

palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:44 pm

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:21 am

The mesh cleaning mention in a Youtube video is a joke..is it standard to use Youtube for official product info, especially given the issue? Resmed should explicitly state the issue so it's prominent and a known, potentially serious issue.

You know that manual, the one you

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:21 pm

Resmed highlight this as a potential problem with the P20 mask (maybe a trouble shooting section in the literature provided with the mask). Will admit that I no longer read those booklets..

Didn't bother to read? It's in there.

What do you want them to do, put a plastic flag on the mask itself? like you find on electrical cords?

When was the last time you read one of those? The last Christmas lights I bought had *THREE* flags... I didn't read those either.

Yes, I am busted...I did not read the manual, perhaps the trials and tribulations of figuring that with +15 years of CPAP (and having owned 3 machines, having used 5 machines and owned about a dozen different masks) I had it figured out.

When I did encounter the breathing problem, I contacted my supplier (who also runs sleep tests and has equipment specialists available)..and no one provided a solution to the problem. Similarly, I contacted a representative at Resmed, who also did not provide anything useful.

Hopefully your condescending attitude makes you feel good? The bottom line is:
1) I'm grateful to you for providing insight and a solution to the problem
2) I hope this thread is useful for anyone who has or may at some point encounter this problem

As I said early on, the P10 is one of my favorite masks. I'm quite appreciative of a solution that allows me to keep it in rotation. I love life, therefore I love CPAP.

Richard

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:40 pm

As I said early on, the P10 is one of my favorite masks.

+1

I personally consider it the Holely Grail of masks.

PS: I believe that PR's so-called "condescending attitude" is meant to be entertaining, in an Internet sort of way, to all, including the recipient. At least, that's what I choose to believe--because my believing that makes ME feel good, which is the point of the universe, right? Spice is the variety of life. Or something like that.

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:21 pm

When I did encounter the breathing problem, I contacted my supplier (who also runs sleep tests and has equipment specialists available)..and no one provided a solution to the problem. Similarly, I contacted a representative at Resmed, who also did not provide anything useful.

That's probably because they both stopped coming to cpaptalk.com to learn from PR and other users here.

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:40 pm

Hopefully your condescending attitude makes you feel good?

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:21 am

The mesh cleaning mention in a Youtube video is a joke..is it standard to use Youtube for official product info, especially given the issue? Resmed should explicitly state the issue so it's prominent and a known, potentially serious issue.

I don't have a "condescending attitude" with respect to this. You went on a rant. I pointed out that you admitted to not bothering to read the very instructions that you so vehemently indicated Resmed should have supplied.

I'm sorry you didn't like being called on it.

I'm done, if you want to bitch about *me* some more, have at it. I'll let you deal with your "supplier" for info going forwards.

Cheers.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:48 pm

PS: I believe that PR's so-called "condescending attitude" is meant to be entertaining, in an Internet sort of way, to all, including the recipient. At least, that's what I choose to believe--because my believing that makes ME feel good, which is the point of the universe, right? Spice is the variety of life. Or something like that.

Now, he's just got a "I don't have time for this kind of shit" attitude.

But, hey, that's what the foe button is for.

I learn a lot from you. But sometimes you startle me and a few of the other kids in the room.

But I agree that is what the button is foe.

palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:53 pm

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:40 pm

Hopefully your condescending attitude makes you feel good?

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:21 am

The mesh cleaning mention in a Youtube video is a joke..is it standard to use Youtube for official product info, especially given the issue? Resmed should explicitly state the issue so it's prominent and a known, potentially serious issue.

I don't have a "condescending attitude" with respect to this. You went on a rant. I pointed out that you admitted to not bothering to read the very instructions that you so vehemently indicated Resmed should have supplied.

I'm sorry you didn't like being called on it.

I'm done, if you want to bitch about *me* some more, have at it. I'll let you deal with your "supplier" for info going forwards.

Cheers.

PR,
Yes, I readily admitted that I had not read the manual (which I had thrown away with the packaging). However, I also mentioned that I had contacted my supplier, who has the original packing material and that person looked at it...and did not point out that the manual had explicit instructions to clean the diffuser due to potential breathing problems.

All manuals have a troubleshooting section, as does the P10 manual...THE ISSUE IS NOT LISTED IN THE TROUBLESHOOTING PORTION OF THE MANUAL.
Get it?
Got it?
Good.
Again,thank you for your help.

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:05 pm

However, I also mentioned that I had contacted my supplier, who has the original packing material and that person looked at it...and did not point out that the manual had explicit instructions to clean the diffuser due to potential breathing problems.
Get it?
Got it?
Good.
Again,thank you for your help.

Perhaps you should try taking ownership of your own failings instead of blaming "your supplier" or Resmed.

Get it?
Got it?
Good.

ResMed's website:
- has copies of the documentation
- is full of support documentation including cleaning
- also hosts the video on care, cleaning and support.
https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/p ... t-p10.html

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:24 pm

ResMed's website:
- has copies of the documentation
- is full of support documentation including cleaning
- also hosts the video on care, cleaning and support.
https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/p ... t-p10.html

Yes...and check out the trouble shooting section:
https://www.resmed.com/au/dam/documents ... ac_eng.pdf

JNK summed it up best " any mask in which simple moisture renders the vent completely ineffective is a mask that needs a bold warning somewhere for legal and ethical reasons"

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:30 pm

Yes...and check out the trouble shooting section:

Does anyone have any suggestions for how I should follow ResMed's troubleshooting instructions in my sleep?:

Professor Plum, in the lab, with a mask, wrote:Vent is wet.--Ensure the vent is dry after cleaning and in the case of excess condensation.

(color added by me)

I mean, I've been known to do some complicated things in my sleep, but wha . . . ?

Aha, Mr. ResMed! You yourself have said it. Officers, cuff that company and read it its rights.

Condensation in the vent holes doesn't always mean the vent holes are blocked...I have had the cold mist showers to prove it.
As lazy as I am about cleaning the mask or scrubbing the vent holes...and those that know me know I am REALLY lazy...I have never had the vent holes block up and prevent air movement out the vent holes.
And I never bothered to read the booklet...or watch the video.

Happened to me last week the second night with a brand new mask. Fully blocked. But maybe I did something wrong. The vent was completely soaked. No air could escape. And I didn't feel like waking my wife up in the middle of the night by firing up her hair dryer. The stick pin started calling out to me. . . . It just happened. It wasn't planned/premeditated. But I don't regret it.

Pugsy and jnk,

The problem with the mask when I had problems breathing was not that no air was coming out of the air diffuser, it was that the flow was reduced (who knows, 30-50%?) such that when you checked to see if there was air flow out of the front of the mask, you could easily feel it.. I could not tell it was reduced. If the mask air diffuser had been completely blocked,the problem would have been obvious. The good news is that I have 2 machines and a collection of masks, so was able to determine the problem was mask, not machine-dependent. Cripes, a couple of times I even checked my pulse, concerned that maybe it was transient atrial fibrillation. The key question is how much of a reduction in air flow is required until one reaches the point of not being able to catch their breath.

I think Resmed should be more explicit about this potential issue with the mask, highlighting the problem in the trouble shooting section of the manual. I'm going to write to Resmed tomorrow and will share any response here.
Best,

Richard

Mr Nosey wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:38 pm

I think Resmed should be more explicit about this potential issue with the mask, highlighting the problem in the trouble shooting section of the manual. I'm going to write to Resmed tomorrow and will share any response here.
Best,

Richard

i'll be very interested in what (if anything) resmed has to say. i've never had any interaction with the manufacturers of cpap equipment. but i get this vague feeling from hanging out here on the forum that they won't be responsive.

no proof of that, mind you. so like i say, i'd be happy to see how they react.