Use of CPAP in emergency for covid treatment when oxygen is not available

[zoomzoom]

I have a family friend traveling to India that is using an Autoset 10 for her.

I recall that at least with this machine since it's the same I have, that you can add oxygen to it.

Although cpap machines aren't meant to be used as oxygen concentrators, you can add oxygen to it.

And I read this article: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/exis ... 9-patients which indicates that a study was done and if you are given cpap+oxygen treatment immediately at time of hospitalization, it can increase your chance of survival if you have acute respiratory syndrome. This is a big deal in India since that syndrome is common and oxygen (and hospital beds) are very difficult to come by at this time.

Since my friend already has a valid RX for the cpap, can I also somehow source the oxygen to give to her to use in case of emergency? Hopefully she'll never have to use it or be in a position where it's used.

If yes, what exactly do I need to buy to get oxygen for this cpap model?

My alternative is to recommend that she purchase an oxygen concentrator, and I took a few minutes to search and found the the AirSep Focus Portable Concentrator which is lightweight and small, but also costs around $2695.

Travel cannot be avoided--I've already had that talk.

[BlueDragon]

There is a State Department Advisory notice saying people should not travel to India. See https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... isory.html. More info at https://in.usembassy.gov/health-alert/.

One of the problems in India right now is a shortage of bottled oxygen. Some hospitals have run out of oxygen, leading to deaths. I don't know what that means for an individual wanting access to oxygen, but it is probably not good.

[chunkyfrog]

I feel your frustration . . .
Some people will do what they do--consequences be damned.
IF they make it back, greet them warmly, but at a safe distance.

[SleepGeek]

Since my friend already has a valid RX for the cpap, can I also somehow source the oxygen to give to her to use in case of emergency?

I'm pretty sure you need a prescription to get an O2 bottle.

[palerider]

Since my friend already has a valid RX for the cpap, can I also somehow source the oxygen to give to her to use in case of emergency?

I'm pretty sure you need a prescription to get an O2 bottle.

There's a lot of welders out there that'll be really surprised to hear about that.

[southerndoc]

I thought you needed a prescription, but saw a patient a few days ago on oxygen. His wife ordered a concentrator and a travel tank for him online. He hasn't seen a physician in 20 years.

Regarding CPAP and oxygen, many patients in ARDS/SARS from COVID-19 need inspiratory support in addition to expiratory support (as I've found many patients to be hypoxemic and hypercapneic). I'm not saying it won't help, but if the person is hypercapneic and you start CPAP without increasing tidal volume/minute ventilation, then you may create more problems than you try to solve.

Definitely is a very, very sad situation what is going on in India. I feel sorry for them.

[SleepGeek]

There's a lot of welders out there that'll be really surprised to hear about that.

Silly me - I thought I was on your foe/ignore list? Meaning you would NOT see my posts

Accounts to put on the foe list: mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H.

While I understand that you are on O2 ...
Now if you can just picture someone wheeling a welders bottle of O2 thru the airport? Insisting I saw it on the internet.

Said another way - while O2 IS O2 I doubt that "your" insurance is paying for that "Large" welders bottle of O2.

I took a few minutes to search and found the the AirSep Focus Portable Concentrator which is lightweight and small, but also costs around $2695.

afaik - Concentrators are normally rented.

https://www.oxygenconcentratorstore.com ... centrator/

[Julie]

Has your friend asked about bringing a concentrator on board? It may be ok, but I think I'd check first. And if there was even a tiny leak somewhere and it caught a spark somewhere... Or is she/he knowledgable about all that?

[palerider]

There's a lot of welders out there that'll be really surprised to hear about that.

Silly me - I thought I was on your foe/ignore list? Meaning you would NOT see my posts

Of course not, garbage needs to be refuted, the recommendation is that other people put you on their foe list, so they're not mislead.

Accounts to put on the foe list: mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H.

While I understand that you are on O2 ...

I'm not

Said another way - while O2 IS O2 I doubt that "your" insurance is paying for that "Large" welders bottle of O2.

They come in all sizes.

But I think we should ignore you, and listen to SouthernDoc on the relevant comment about the subject of this thread.

[palerider]

Has your friend asked about bringing a concentrator on board? It may be ok, but I think I'd check first. And if there was even a tiny leak somewhere and it caught a spark somewhere... Or is she/he knowledgable about all that?

Concentrators don't produce oxygen when they're not running.

[GrumpyHere]

There's a lot of welders out there that'll be really surprised to hear about that.

@SleepGeek

Just because I asked you ONCE to stop posting nonsense,
you think I am palerider????

Wow, wow, just wow.

I am honored.

[SleepGeek]

SleepGeek wrote: ↑
Wed May 12, 2021 6:37 pm
Said another way - while O2 IS O2 I doubt that "your" insurance is paying for that "Large" welders bottle of O2.

They come in all sizes.

Nice to see you using sentence structure again.
Insurance is NOT paying for welders O2 in ANY size, period.
Show me where YOU can get Concentrators w/o an RX.


I know you like to argue about important things like using "Distilled Water" vs "Tap Water" - now its "Welders O2 vs Medical O2.

"palerider aka Grumpyhere" and many others userids = Your " garbage needs to be refuted."

Signs You're Burned Out, Just Not Happy, or Even Sleeping right
https://www.webmd.com/balance/ss/slides ... ksRSmUs%3D

[GrumpyHere]

Why folks dont like it when you treat em the way they treat you?
If you can be anything why not choose to be kind?

@SleepGeek

You should heed the advice you're dispensing on your signature lines.

[SleepGeek]

Why folks dont like it when you treat em the way they treat you?
If you can be anything why not choose to be kind?

@SleepGeek

You should heed the advice you're dispensing on your signature lines.

@"palerider aka Grumpyhere" and Your many other userids

You should heed the advice you're dispensing on your signature lines.

Silly me - I thought I was on your foe/ignore list? Meaning you would NOT see ANY of my posts

palerider aka GrumpyHere wrote: ↑
What exactly do you think you're adding to this thread?

It is clear, YOU just don't get it - when someone treats YOU the way you treat them, YOU just don't get it. too bad, soo sad.

[Pugsy]

Sigh.....enough with the crap talk.

Stop the poking at each other and get exactly back on topic or risk posts being removed just as soon as I see them.

If a post isn't on topic...it will go poof and this is the one and only warning.

You all know exactly what you are doing and you need to take it anywhere but here.

Even if partially on topic ....crap talking will cause the post to be removed.

Thank you very much in advance for playing nicer.