Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

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Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by knarf » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm

Are CSA events more common at higher pressures? (Perhaps due to more frequent arousals?)

I'm thinking of using an MAD device simultaneously with CPAP. I assume that this would allow me to reduce the pressure, and I'm wondering if the reduced pressure would also mean a decrease in the CSA events that I get. Currently with CPAP all my events are CSA now.

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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by lazarus » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:03 pm

knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
Are CSA events more common at higher pressures? (Perhaps due to more frequent arousals?)
Sometimes true for some. Not all.
knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
I'm thinking of using an MAD device simultaneously with CPAP.
I did that for a few years. Helped me learn to keep my mouth shut with nasal pillows.
knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
I assume that this would allow me to reduce the pressure,
I did not find that to be so. But hey I'm just one opinionated guy on the Internet.
knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
reduced pressure would also mean a decrease in the CSA events that I get.
Lowering overall combined AHI is a worthy goal, but using enough pressure to prevent obstruction should remain priority, since obstruction can be particularly damaging and many home-machine-reported "centrals" might have rightly been ignored and unscored in an NPSG.

I wish you success in finding the best pressure(s) that give you the lowest overall AHI over time and the best possible subjective sleep quality.

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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by palerider » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:55 pm

knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
Are CSA events more common at higher pressures? (Perhaps due to more frequent arousals?)

I'm thinking of using an MAD device simultaneously with CPAP. I assume that this would allow me to reduce the pressure, and I'm wondering if the reduced pressure would also mean a decrease in the CSA events that I get. Currently with CPAP all my events are CSA now.
As mentioned, higher pressures can increase central apneas in generally one in seven people, so it's not a certainty and concerns about it are overblown.

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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by bwexler » Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:07 pm

I am relatively ignorant compared to those who have already answered. But I also seldom have any obstructive events, mostly all centrals.

I suspect that centrals cause higher pressures, not the other way around.

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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by Miss Emerita » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:13 pm

Ordinary PAP machines don't respond to CAs, though I believe your ASV does.
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Re: Are central apneas more common at higher pressures?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:12 pm

knarf wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
I'm thinking of using an MAD device simultaneously with CPAP. I assume that this would allow me to reduce the pressure,
I would try something cheap and easy before investing in a MAD. Foam cervical collars hold the neck in the optimal position for airway patency. This can reduce pressure needs. In my case, the prescribed pressures were bilevel, 22 IPAP/18 EPAP. With the addition of a collar, my APAP pressures run 10.0 min to 11.5 95% level.

Also, foam cervical collars don't bring the level of discomfort, and oral and jaw health issues that MADs do.

Collar example: https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Cervic ... ref=sr_1_7