1 full week on M auto

NyNurse33 · Post by **NyNurse33** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:48 pm

Well I did it! I spent one very long week on the machine I couldn't wait to get. Much more comfortable to use than the straight cpap. My 7 day average AHI 1.0. My next hurdle is to buy the heated hose and pray that this will solve my rain out problems. The fleece wrapped around the hose is not working, I have tried every other trick in the book. Putting the machine even lower, covering the exposed hose on the actual mask, lowering the humidifier, changing the position of the hose above my head, keeping the water level low,shut the humidifier off one night, was I think the only thing that helped, but I was not comfortable without it. Had one small rain out episode on my old resmed. Can't blame it on room temp, b/c one night it stayed around 70 and I still had rain out. Factors that are different: New machine, swivel hose connector, different hose, different pressure (90% pressure @ 5.8 vs. straight 10) and c-flex. Same mask, tested the humidifier today, it definetly gets warmer with each turn of the dial. I just want to hear from someone who had similiar problems and couldn't even stop it with the hose cover or that the heated hose was the only thing that worked for them, I keep thinking negative "what if I buy this hose and it still doesn't work?", want to make sure there is nothing else that could be possible causing this. I am so miserable about this now, that I can't even allow myself to appreciate this machine.

bairdbeth · Post by **bairdbeth** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:21 pm

Do you sleep with a ceiling fan on? I "cooled" the room to 77 and then turned off the fan to sleep. I actually had no rainout last night! So now I wonder if my mask gets too cool from the draft of the fan and when my warm breath hits it, presto, it's raining! I have had rainout in a room with temp of 78, so I am trying different strategies. Way to go for staying with the new machine for a whole week! Don't let the rain get you down!

fujiinator · Post by **fujiinator** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:36 pm

I am slowly starting to get a little rainout as it gets colder here. My wife has not had a chance to make my hose cover yet. With a 2 1/2 year old is is tough to get much free time. I do remember that my M Plus ran hotter the first week or two and settled down. I even had the DME replace it because it did not seem as hot. The replacement unit did about the same thing. Mine has not caused any rainout until the cold weather started hitting recently. I also do not know what the humidity is like where you live, because that would play a factor as well. I have been running mine on the highest setting for the past six months.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:48 pm

don't use the humidifier, where you live you may not need it if the outside air is humid enough.

if you can't turn it off, don't put any water in it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:36 pm

a whole week? you mean it hasn't vibrated off your night stand?
or unplugged itself?
or woke up your neighbors being so noisy?

It is supposed to according to that expert opinion of that DME specialist dude, you must have gotten the 1 out of a thousand that didn't do that

snoozie_suzy · Post by **snoozie_suzy** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:54 pm

Melissa,
seriously, opt for the Aussie hose. most people on here claim it to be the END of rainout. In that last post I wrote, I only mentioned SOME people still experienced rainout. Offhand the only member I remember saying it I think was Linda 0832 (lives in Arkansas) so it could be depending on where people live in the US and temps/humidity levels. Most people say even if they do get a little rainout with the Aussie its minimal, the hose helps a ton.

It could be the end to your nightmare, I think people have posted its $90. Think about that, thats like one meal with your husband at a nice restaurant. Look at it that way. Its an investment to your health, just like buying that software was. And if it doesn't work, PM me and I'll buy it from you. I'm looking to get one soon anyway.

Suzy

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:08 am

(90% pressure @ 5.8 vs. straight 10)

Wow!!! No wonder you're more comfortable.

And no wonder you're getting more rainout. Don't expect to need the same amount of humidity you did when using cpap at 10. Think of the effects of wind on a wet surface - the stronger the wind the quicker the drying.

I use a heated hose + a snuggle hose, + and when winter comes along I will probably have to add a covering for the Aura/Headrest/Twilight's little hose and wrap the seal part in those tube bandages used as the final layer on bandaged fingers. "Probably" because I didn't have a snuggle hose last winter.

The heated hose is worth every penny you pay for it - .

I think those of us with lower pressure get more rainout - so - until you get your hose, I would suggest "titrating" you humidity. Start the humidifier at a minimum, raise it gradually every night, and get the heated hose.

O.

wabmorgan · Post by **wabmorgan** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:38 am

Rainout may be releated to the CL2 nasal pillow interface you are using.

I have not had the CL2 but I had more rain out with my breeze than any other.

NyNurse33 · Post by **NyNurse33** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:04 am

I"ve been setting my level to 1, with it off it was not as comfortable on my little nostrils, esp with nasal pillows. But good news!! I had a better night last night. I moved the machine further away from my bed creating more of a straight line for the hose, to the hook on my wall above my head. Voila! Much less condensation in my mask. In fact, I only was aware of it, right when I took it off this morning. But once again, sometime in the middle of the night, I found my mask off again, not remembering that I did it. I thought this was something people did in the beginning, why the heck am I doing it now? Well at least I woke up and put it back on. Hopefully I am in the right direction, but I will be buying the aussie, just as soon as I can.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:09 am

Not really a suggestion but an observation. When I put together my "travel kit" I selected an 8ft hose because that gave me maximum flexibility positioning the machine in the hotel room. When I gave back the rental machine they wanted the hose back so I started using the 8ft hose on a nightly basis. What I discovered was that the slack in the hose actually seemed to encourage rainout, probably because it both restricted airflow and made the air have to pass through another 2ft of cool tube to reach me.

I corrected the problem by switching back to a 6ft hose and using Restedgals suggestion of a 3M Command adhesive hook and a strunchy to anchor the tube above my head. The tube from the machine to the hook is straight and taught and I assume any rainout in that length will flow back to the machine. So far I haven't seen any issue with the 2ft length to my head. Try keeping the slack in the tube straight with the machine at a lower level.

Snoozing Gonzo · Post by **Snoozing Gonzo** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:23 am

Of all the things that I have purchased just to blow air down my throat over the past 10 months, the Aussie hose is the only thing that has worked first time and as advertised.

The only problem I have had was due to me forgetting the cord during cleaning day and pulling the connection apart too hard. A little needle-nose pliers action on the plug pin and I was back to dry nights. While experimenting with pressures, Cflex, and humidity on two masks this summer, I found that too much humidity (for me) congested my chest and led to poor sleep (I'm at a 1 setting and 2 during extremely low humidity this summer (teens)). However, even at relatively high humidity (pun intended) there was no rain in my Swift and only a little collection in the folds of my Activa.

You'll find the cost is a little more than mentioned above because it now comes with the power cord that you used to have to buy at Radio Shack after the hose was delivered. I found delivery from Australia about the same as UPS ground from Cpap.com... 6 days.

Good luck

Chris

KimberlyinMN · Post by **KimberlyinMN** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:35 am

NyNurse33 wrote:I just want to hear from someone who had similiar problems and couldn't even stop it with the hose cover or that the heated hose was the only thing that worked for them, I keep thinking negative "what if I buy this hose and it still doesn't work?", want to make sure there is nothing else that could be possible causing this.

I've noticed way more rainout in my ff mask now that winter seems to have hit us in northern Minnesota with at least an inch of the white stuff on the ground and the high temp for today should be around 32º. I have a fleece cover on my hose, my heated humidifier is set to 2 and the unit is below the mattress. I'm sure that I will need to purchase the heated hose too -- although I'm also in the process of getting used to the ComfortCurve and that hose won't work with the CC. (At least from what I've read.)

The house cools to about 62º before the furnace kicks on.

On a side note, I just switched last week to a Bi-PAP machine and absolutely love it!

Kimberly

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:47 pm

I'm like Linda in that I still get a little rainout even with my Ausie hose ( covered with insulation and a velor cover!) but it's a lot better then without the heated hose. I've found that most, maybe all, of the rainout is happening in the mask/interface and very little, if any, in the hose itself. I'm convinced that the condensation is due to the heat and humidity of a person's breath and can vary a lot between different people using the same mask and settings in the same environment. If I put my CL2 on for dry fitting (not hooked up to the machine), I get condensation build up after just a minute or two. I also need heated humidification so I don't think I could tolerate CPAP without the heated hose. The best $100 investment I've made in my CPAP adventure.

1 full week on M auto

1 full week on M auto

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