According to actual scientific study results, you're wrong. Bacteria in the water are not transferred to the airstream. No matter what your lay opinion causes you to believe.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:53 pm
On the other hand, a clean and sterilized reservoir, tubing etc, means the air from the cpap does contain fewer pathogens. If your reservoir is full of Serratia marcescens, then you will be breathing that bacteria in much higher than normal concentrations. If you clean your reservoir on a regular basis, you shouldn't get it.
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Moving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pmThat’s my understanding as well... blower may be more accurate. In any case my understanding is that high(ish) velocity air movers generate static electricity in confined spaces. I’m sure it’s tiny and any ozone would be super tiny, but it may still be a design consideration. Honestly I have no idea if they care or think about that. I just stated it as a possible reason they MIGHT use ozone resistant materials (ie it’s not outside the realm of reason)jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:14 pmNot to mutate the waters, but my understanding is that the general term in the industry for what produces very mild levels of pressure is often "blower." But the meanings of the words "fan," "compressor," and "blower" may change a bit according to context in some disciplines in order to provide clarity for comparative purposes.
As an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
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Well how about some actual scientific evidence...palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:36 pmAccording to actual scientific study results, you're wrong. Bacteria in the water are not transferred to the airstream. No matter what your lay opinion causes you to believe.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:53 pm
On the other hand, a clean and sterilized reservoir, tubing etc, means the air from the cpap does contain fewer pathogens. If your reservoir is full of Serratia marcescens, then you will be breathing that bacteria in much higher than normal concentrations. If you clean your reservoir on a regular basis, you shouldn't get it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... xvg0v-9RsJ
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... -1-00003.x
The type of humidifier in a cpap is cool mist or evaporative (it’s warmed, not boiled, so it’s not generating steam). These types of humidifiers do indeed spread bacteria.
There’s lots more evidence I can cite.... no “lay opinion” needed
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It does help cool graphics cards doing a lot of processing. It’s why there are fans strapped to the cards! If you make a duct that connects from the AC unit with a fan and point the duct over the cards, you cool the cards more effectively. The goal wasn’t to drop the room temperature... the goal was to more quickly move the heat out of the chips into the air.Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 pmMoving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pmThat’s my understanding as well... blower may be more accurate. In any case my understanding is that high(ish) velocity air movers generate static electricity in confined spaces. I’m sure it’s tiny and any ozone would be super tiny, but it may still be a design consideration. Honestly I have no idea if they care or think about that. I just stated it as a possible reason they MIGHT use ozone resistant materials (ie it’s not outside the realm of reason)jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:14 pmNot to mutate the waters, but my understanding is that the general term in the industry for what produces very mild levels of pressure is often "blower." But the meanings of the words "fan," "compressor," and "blower" may change a bit according to context in some disciplines in order to provide clarity for comparative purposes.
As an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
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I’m sorry... low humidity doesn’t cause static electricity. Humidity (the water molecules actually) simply impede the build up of static electricity. You still need a source to generate the static. Either by rubbing your feet in the floor... or running lots of fans (friction)
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Server Rooms, don't use up a lot of graphic processing, do you know anything about computer use. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:33 pmIt does help cool graphics cards doing a lot of processing. It’s why there are fans strapped to the cards! If you make a duct that connects from the AC unit with a fan and point the duct over the cards, you cool the cards more effectively. The goal wasn’t to drop the room temperature... the goal was to more quickly move the heat out of the chips into the air.Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 pmMoving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pmThat’s my understanding as well... blower may be more accurate. In any case my understanding is that high(ish) velocity air movers generate static electricity in confined spaces. I’m sure it’s tiny and any ozone would be super tiny, but it may still be a design consideration. Honestly I have no idea if they care or think about that. I just stated it as a possible reason they MIGHT use ozone resistant materials (ie it’s not outside the realm of reason)jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:14 pmNot to mutate the waters, but my understanding is that the general term in the industry for what produces very mild levels of pressure is often "blower." But the meanings of the words "fan," "compressor," and "blower" may change a bit according to context in some disciplines in order to provide clarity for comparative purposes.
As an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
If computers overheat in the server room, why not just spray them with a water hose, that will stop the static too. Jim
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I do.. do you??? Graphics processing is used extensively in scientific computing. What do you think we were doing with them.. playing games?Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:42 pmServer Rooms, don't use up a lot of graphic processing, do you know anything about computer use. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:33 pmIt does help cool graphics cards doing a lot of processing. It’s why there are fans strapped to the cards! If you make a duct that connects from the AC unit with a fan and point the duct over the cards, you cool the cards more effectively. The goal wasn’t to drop the room temperature... the goal was to more quickly move the heat out of the chips into the air.Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 pmMoving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pmThat’s my understanding as well... blower may be more accurate. In any case my understanding is that high(ish) velocity air movers generate static electricity in confined spaces. I’m sure it’s tiny and any ozone would be super tiny, but it may still be a design consideration. Honestly I have no idea if they care or think about that. I just stated it as a possible reason they MIGHT use ozone resistant materials (ie it’s not outside the realm of reason)jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:14 pm
Not to mutate the waters, but my understanding is that the general term in the industry for what produces very mild levels of pressure is often "blower." But the meanings of the words "fan," "compressor," and "blower" may change a bit according to context in some disciplines in order to provide clarity for comparative purposes.
As an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
If computers overheat in the server room, why not just spray them with a water hose, that will stop the static too. Jim
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Pacman or Solitare? JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:44 pmI do.. do you??? Graphics processing is used extensively in scientific computing. What do you think we were doing with them.. playing games?Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:42 pmServer Rooms, don't use up a lot of graphic processing, do you know anything about computer use. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:33 pmIt does help cool graphics cards doing a lot of processing. It’s why there are fans strapped to the cards! If you make a duct that connects from the AC unit with a fan and point the duct over the cards, you cool the cards more effectively. The goal wasn’t to drop the room temperature... the goal was to more quickly move the heat out of the chips into the air.Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 pmMoving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pm
That’s my understanding as well... blower may be more accurate. In any case my understanding is that high(ish) velocity air movers generate static electricity in confined spaces. I’m sure it’s tiny and any ozone would be super tiny, but it may still be a design consideration. Honestly I have no idea if they care or think about that. I just stated it as a possible reason they MIGHT use ozone resistant materials (ie it’s not outside the realm of reason)
As an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
If computers overheat in the server room, why not just spray them with a water hose, that will stop the static too. Jim
http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu_science.html
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World record Solitare! How’d you guess??
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Master use of computer tech, doesn't need fast graphic card., got to keep those computers cool.
Command and Conquer, Red Alert 1 & 2, Generals! All versions and variants. Jim
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And, with adequate humidity, those things won't generate static electricity.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:36 pmI’m sorry... low humidity doesn’t cause static electricity. Humidity (the water molecules actually) simply impede the build up of static electricity. You still need a source to generate the static. Either by rubbing your feet in the floor... or running lots of fans (friction)
But reading through your comments here, I've noticed that you live in your own 'special' reality, so mayby things are different in your dimension.
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The Laws of Physics even evidently don't apply there! Jimpalerider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:31 pmAnd, with adequate humidity, those things won't generate static electricity.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:36 pmI’m sorry... low humidity doesn’t cause static electricity. Humidity (the water molecules actually) simply impede the build up of static electricity. You still need a source to generate the static. Either by rubbing your feet in the floor... or running lots of fans (friction)
But reading through your comments here, I've noticed that you live in your own 'special' reality, so mayby things are different in your dimension.
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Irrelevant. The presence of bacteria in a cpap is not in question. What is in question is your baseless allegation above.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:24 pmWell how about some actual scientific evidence...palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:36 pmAccording to actual scientific study results, you're wrong. Bacteria in the water are not transferred to the airstream. No matter what your lay opinion causes you to believe.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:53 pm
On the other hand, a clean and sterilized reservoir, tubing etc, means the air from the cpap does contain fewer pathogens. If your reservoir is full of Serratia marcescens, then you will be breathing that bacteria in much higher than normal concentrations. If you clean your reservoir on a regular basis, you shouldn't get it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... xvg0v-9RsJ
No, a cpap is not a "cool mist" humidifier. It's a HEATED evaporative humidifier, not one of the types that the article you cited says is a problem.Righteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:24 pmhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... -1-00003.x
The type of humidifier in a cpap is cool mist or evaporative (it’s warmed, not boiled, so it’s not generating steam). These types of humidifiers do indeed spread bacteria.
I suppose I can't expect someone of your 'caliber' to understand the technical difference in a cool mist humidifier and what's in a cpap. One produces a MIST, which is small water droplets, the other produces a *vapor*, which cannot carry bacteria... or minerals, which 'cool mist' humidifiers will deposit around them.only cool mist and ultrasonic units readily aerosolized bacteria and endotoxin
Your "evidence" is flawed, as is much of your ... well, I'll loosely call it "reasoning".
Here's some research results that are applicable to the issue at hand:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5611769/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3716664/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16236866
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I'd be willing to bet that our new Dunning-Kreger poster boy was the one that came up with the 'bright' idea of putting a bunch of electric fans inside the room to 'cool' it... s/he probably thinks that electric fan motors don't generate heat...Goofproof wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 pmMoving hot air around in your server room, does not cool anything , and running the fans adds more heat, just making the matters worst, your IT dept is run by illiterate fools. Thinking the fans are causing the static is another point to fool running the show. Ground the equiptment cut a hole in the wall add A/C! Hire more H.S. dropouts. JimRighteous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pmAs an example, we had a server room that was too hot all the time... we ended up adding a bunch of box fans to the room to keep the air moving. In the winter that room ended up having massive static electricity issues from those fans (not fun around servers). That’s just from adding a bunch of low pressure box fans.
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