Afrin nasal spray

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by Pugsy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:43 am

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Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 am
After the 1st year of using my CPAP I started to develop nasal swelling where within 2-3 minutes putting the mask on my nose would plug up. If I removed the mask my nose would return to normal after a few minutes.
Which mask are you using? Is it touching the nasal bridge area of your nose? Some people get congestion just from the pressure of the mask on the turbinates which are up in the area of the bridge of your nose (where eye glasses rest).
When someone says their nose plugs up withing 2 or 3 minutes I can't help but think of this being pressure related.
It's too soon to be humidity related I would think.
The reason I think about this is because it happens to me. The least little pressure on my nasal bridge area pretty much causes immediate congestion within just a few minutes and it is relieved pretty much just by removing the mask for a few minutes.
For this reason I limit my mask selection to those that don't touch my nasal bridge area.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by kell420 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:09 am

Pugsy wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:43 am
kell420 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 am
After the 1st year of using my CPAP I started to develop nasal swelling where within 2-3 minutes putting the mask on my nose would plug up. If I removed the mask my nose would return to normal after a few minutes.
Which mask are you using? Is it touching the nasal bridge area of your nose? Some people get congestion just from the pressure of the mask on the turbinates which are up in the area of the bridge of your nose (where eye glasses rest).
When someone says their nose plugs up withing 2 or 3 minutes I can't help but think of this being pressure related.
It's too soon to be humidity related I would think.
The reason I think about this is because it happens to me. The least little pressure on my nasal bridge area pretty much causes immediate congestion within just a few minutes and it is relieved pretty much just by removing the mask for a few minutes.
For this reason I limit my mask selection to those that don't touch my nasal bridge area.
I'm using the AirTouch F20 Medium unfortunately the sleep doctor hasn't been much help with fitting a mask they only have a few choices the pellows, nasal mask, and full face one type each same brand . I started out with the nasal mask but my mouth would open blow though the nose and out my mouth and I woke up a few times with my heart racing due to lack of oxygen I switched to the full face. The medium does push on my nasal area but I feel like the large be too big the med is still little too small but about close as I can get. I have been thinking about trying this one Mirage Liberty the problem is trying this stuff gets expensive my insurance has 1500 deductible they are useless.
https://www.1800cpap.com/resmed-mirage- ... -cpap-mask

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by Pugsy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:28 am

kell420 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:09 am
I have been thinking about trying this one Mirage Liberty the problem is trying this stuff gets expensive my insurance has 1500 deductible they are useless.
Yes, mask experiments are expensive. Shop smart though...I don't know about 1800cpap return policy but at cpap.com the masks come with free return insurance. You buy it and hate it you just return it within 30 days of when they shipped it to you and you get a refund.
Not limited to online store credit like some places.

The Liberty was one of the original hybrid types of masks....pillows and mouth covered at the same time but nothing on the nasal bridge area. Down side to the Liberty is you have to guess on size because you have to order the size you think you need.
The other original hybrid type is the Innomed/Respcare hybrid... It comes will all 3 cushion sizes plus it's a lot cheaper than the Liberty.
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/RespCa ... -CPAP-Mask

Those 2 original hybrids both use nasal pillows as part of the interface and they have been around well over 10 years now.
There are some other hybrid types now that use a cushion or pillows as part of the nasal interface and still nothing on the bridge of the nose.

Respironics has the DreamWear Full Face mask
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/philip ... k-fit-pack

ResMed has a couple in the F30 and F30i series
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... -face-mask

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... ipack-deal

So you do have some other options and all the masks above come with the free return insurance. Read up on the details if you decide to buy from cpap.com.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by Lifeisabeach » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:25 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
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Oxymetazoline Hcl 0.05% (Afrin and others) is a great product when used with caution. If you have temporary congestion, using it three or four days in a row will not cause rebound congestion when it is discontinued.
A tip that my doctor gave to me a few years ago was to take Claritin along with the Afrin to extend that window before rebound will occur. I forget exactly how much longer, but I want to say 2-3 more days. Although some of the other advice to use just once a day and alternate nostrils sounds like a great plan also.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by peelunkins » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:37 pm

palerider wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:48 pm
Enigmas wrote:
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Thank your Very much for your detailed & informative reply.. I'm throwing it out now. I did use it yesterday prior to some yardwork, I was breathing easy as could be.
Today I'm so clogged up, I feel like I have plugs in my nose. Guess I have to ride this congestion out then..
One day's use *will not* cause the rebound effect..
Enigmas wrote:
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A friend said it burnt out the middle of her nose. I looked up her nose, sure enough, it had a hole opening side to side.
Afrin doesn't do that... coke will
Over the counter nasal sprays and the prescription ones can cause a nasal perforation
https://bmcearnosethroatdisord.biomedce ... 2-6815-7-1
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/a ... act/397794

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:42 pm

Lifeisabeach wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:25 pm
A tip that my doctor gave to me a few years ago was to take Claritin along with the Afrin to extend that window before rebound will occur.
Are you sure he didn't say Claritin-D?

Claritin is only an antihistamine (pseudoephedrine). Claritin-D is both a decongestant (loratadine) and an antihistamine (pseudoephedrine).

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by Lifeisabeach » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:32 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:42 pm
Lifeisabeach wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:25 pm
A tip that my doctor gave to me a few years ago was to take Claritin along with the Afrin to extend that window before rebound will occur.
Are you sure he didn't say Claritin-D?

Claritin is only an antihistamine (pseudoephedrine). Claritin-D is both a decongestant (loratadine) and an antihistamine (pseudoephedrine).
I’m afraid you have that a bit backwards. Claritin is the one that is loratadine, but that is the antihistamine, correct. Claritin-D adds the pseudoephedrine. Since pseudoephedrine “shrinks blood vessels and clears up stuffy noses” according to drugs.com, I would think it’d be overkill to take Claritin-D with Afrin, which is being taken for that purpose already. It may even be bordering on overdosage if one took Afrin and C-D? My understanding was that it was the antihistamine property that was extending the rebound window.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:25 am

Lifeisabeach wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:32 pm
I’m afraid you have that a bit backwards.
Yep, I had it backwards.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:34 am

peelunkins wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:37 pm
Over the counter nasal sprays and the prescription ones can cause a nasal perforation
https://bmcearnosethroatdisord.biomedce ... 2-6815-7-1
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/a ... act/397794
This study found the risk of nasal septum perforation from the use of intranasal steroid sprays was very low (O.21 cases per million Daily Doses).
The information obtained from the Swedish Medical Products Agency showed that 38 cases of steroid-induced septum perforation had been reported during the past 10 years. The number of side-effects per million Defined Daily Dose (DDD) was averaged to 0.21.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... the_causes

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by Enigmas » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:56 pm

Instead of using Nasacourt last night I used Sea Salt for dry sinus. I had 48 leaks& 1.5 AHI

Every night using Nasacourt I have been only having 10 leaks (max) & 0.1 or 0.3 AHI at most.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:17 pm

Enigmas wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:56 pm
Instead of using Nasacourt last night I used Sea Salt for dry sinus. I had 48 leaks& 1.5 AHI

Every night using Nasacourt I have been only having 10 leaks (max) & 0.1 or 0.3 AHI at most.
One night is not a pattern.
Do the math.
Sea salt is not a substitute for Nasacort unless you never really needed Nasacort.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray (another opinion)

Post by remstarcpap » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:04 am

So here's the real skinny on using Afrin and it's ilk for a cold.

1. You don't need to if you use a full face mask, you can just breathe through your mouth.

2. Rebound congestion won't typically develop if you do 2 things: a) only use the Afrin in one nostril per night, and b) switch nostrils each night. Don't use it if possible during the day.

3. You can use Afrin and flonase to prevent rebound congestion. See these articles:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20203244 Fluticasone reverses oxymetazoline-induced tachyphylaxis of response and rebound congestion.
Oxymetazoline-induced tachyphylaxis and rebound congestion are reversed by intranasal fluticasone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26994623
CONCLUSIONS:
The combination of INS and Oxymet provides additional benefit compared to INS (intranasal Steroids) monotherapy in relieving nasal congestion in subjects with chronic rhinitis and allergic rhinitis without developing rhinitis medicamentosa.
Beyond this theoretical stuff, I have just spent the last 10 days treating my cold. I use nasal pillows mask (air fit P 10) so it is essential to be able to breathe through my nose during the evenings. Over the first week when my symptoms were at their worst I found using Afrin spray in at least one nostril each night to be very helpful. On any day that I used Afrin I also used Flonase. At night I also used NyQuil which contains a antihistamine as well as an anti-cough agent. This helped reduce congestion as well. During the day I mostly only used Sudafed, although I also occasionally used the Afrin. By the second week I wasn't using any of the AFRIN, although I have continued to use the NyQuil and some Sudafed during the day.

In all the years that I have been using nasal pillows masks I have lived through at least five or six colds, and have always been able to breathe through at least one nostril with the help of Afrin. If you want to take it off the table that's fine, but just recognize that you'll probably need a backup full face mask that you can tolerate.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by kell420 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:02 am

The rebound isn't really that bad as long as you don't use it again when it rebounds. My wife used Afrin for 30 years multiple times a day when I got flownase she used that to kick the habit after I showed her it can raise BP she already had elevated BP. I'm not sure how much of an effect it has on blood Pressure It could since it is a vasoconstrictor.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by migraine- » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:53 am

I'm struggling with this at the moment.

I'm having to use it every night to open my nose up enough to prevent sleep onset arousals (this is with CPAP). I only use one spray at night and a steroid spray at the same time (since I'd also read it can prevent the development of rebound) but I'm only 28 and it doesn't seem like a remotely long-term solution... Nose is starting to get dry and bleeding a bit this week, but I've also had tonsillitis/flu so that may also be to blame. Have an ENT appointment soon so will discuss it with them then.

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Re: Afrin nasal spray

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:01 pm

migraine- wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:53 am
Have an ENT appointment soon so will discuss it with them then.
That's the right thing to do.
migraine- wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:53 am
I've also had tonsillitis
Ask the doctor if you have enlarged tonsils that could be contributing to sleep apnea.