Is there a mini bipap (like transcend)

[emmayes]

Hi all!

Since there are different mini cpap’s to use with a battery, like transcend and breas, I was wondering is there something people who use bilevel machines too? So a portable bipap with battery?

I need a different pressure to breath out against, because I don’t have the muscle strength to breath against the high level used to breath in.

[ChicagoGranny]

Currently, there are no travel bilevel machines.

Which machine do you use at home? Under what conditions do you want to use a battery?

[emmayes]

Currently, there are no travel bilevel machines.

Which machine do you use at home? Under what conditions do you want to use a battery?

That’s too bad.

I wonder if an autoPap from transcend, which you can tell to have a lower pressure while exhaling, would be possible to use when you need a bipap?

I want to use a battery because I want to try it out during doing things like being outside. (I do not have apnea, I use bipap due to muscular weakness).

[ChicagoGranny]

I wonder if an autoPap from transcend, which you can tell to have a lower pressure while exhaling, would be possible to use when you need a bipap?

We would need to know your bilevel settings before giving any advice on this question.

[chunkyfrog]

You can check the dimensions and weight of various bipaps on cpap.com.
Some are not huge at all.
Exhale relief is limited to 3 cm on cpaps and apaps.
If you need a greater difference, then only a bilevel will serve you.
EDIT: many of these are called "travel sized"
Avoid Resmart--a recent brand, you just might get what you pay for. (Or even less)

[Pugsy]

Exactly what machine are you using now and what are the settings?
How do you move around or ambulate ...., scooter, wheelchair, walk without aid or device????

I think I sort of remember you and there is a medical reason you want something light weight to make it easier to move around with.
I don't think that any of the tiny machines will do what you need in terms of ventilation needs but need to know what you are using now and the settings to be sure. I don't think those tiny battery powered machines like the Transcend will have the ability to match the settings you need for ventilation.
But tell us what you are using now and exactly what settings so that we can be sure.

Depending on what you are using now there might be a way of adding a lightweight battery to your existing machine so that you could get outside...hence the questions on how do you get outside and move around.

[emmayes]

I’ve read the max difference is 3 cm, which isn’t much.

The problem is; my needs change. A lot.
So i can’t really answer “what are your settings” because often I need 10/4 but sometimes that’s too much or too low. I change it when needed. Most importantly; if I am able to go outside, I breath better so 10/4 is too high. I tried 9/6 and variations to see what will happen if the difference is 3. I don’t really know yet, need more experience.

I know for sure 6 is too high to exhale for me, my muscles cannot handle it even if I am at my best.

[Pugsy]

So what brand machine are you using now?
And how do you get around?...maybe we can just add a small battery to what you have now to get you outside.
Obviously if you are able to walk around it might not be something that can be done but if you are using a wheelchair or scooter maybe something could be rigged up to support the machine and the battery.
There are light weight batteries available that could power a bipap short term. They aren't cheap and probably wouldn't last all night but you are wanting or needing all night. You are just wanting to be able to be more mobile and get outside a bit.

Without knowing what you are using right now and more about your physical limitations it's impossible to offer any more specific ideas.
Different brands have different power needs.

[sburke91]

My Bipap prescription is 13/9. My past two travel machines have both been CPAP's. I set the baseline to 13, with max exhale pressure relief (3) and have had great results. AHI's aren't typically different from the BiPap at home (0-1.5, mostly H's), and I feel the same in the AM as I do on the BiPap. Mileage will vary based on your specific situation, but if your base max pressure isn't super-high, you should be able to get away with a portable-sized CPAP.

[emmayes]

So what brand machine are you using now?
And how do you get around?...maybe we can just add a small battery to what you have now to get you outside.
Obviously if you are able to walk around it might not be something that can be done but if you are using a wheelchair or scooter maybe something could be rigged up to support the machine and the battery.
There are light weight batteries available that could power a bipap short term. They aren't cheap and probably wouldn't last all night but you are wanting or needing all night. You are just wanting to be able to be more mobile and get outside a bit.

Without knowing what you are using right now and more about your physical limitations it's impossible to offer any more specific ideas.
Different brands have different power needs.

Sorry I forgot to mention: a resmed vpap s9

And I sometimes do use a wheelchair, cane or walker. On good days I can walk a bit with only a cane.

I saw there was a resbett battery I can use, but need a converter too, and all together it seems a lot a maybe too heavy. A small travel cpap with an easy breathing thing (you know, lower pressure exhaling) seems so much nicer, smaller.

Whyyyyyy aren’t there small portable bipaps

[emmayes]

My Bipap prescription is 13/9. My past two travel machines have both been CPAP's. I set the baseline to 13, with max exhale pressure relief (3) and have had great results. AHI's aren't typically different from the BiPap at home (0-1.5, mostly H's), and I feel the same in the AM as I do on the BiPap. Mileage will vary based on your specific situation, but if your base max pressure isn't super-high, you should be able to get away with a portable-sized CPAP.

Yeah that was what I was thinking too, but everything is a bit too expensive to simply try.
What reason do you need a bipap? If its the same maybe I give it a try

[Pugsy]

You would need this converter if you got a non ResMed battery system
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/DC-Con ... hines.html

or the high dollar ResMed battery which includes the converter
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... hines.html
It's 2 lbs.
We could probably find something cheaper at around same weight and just add the $85 converter above.

It would be awkward for walking but maybe doable in a wheelchair where you could maybe rig up something to support it.
Or maybe use one of those walkers that has a seat. My mom has one of those walkers. Are you familiar with those walkers?

In the meantime I will do some research but I don't think that there are any tiny bipaps that will run off a tiny battery.
And the cpaps that will won't be able to give you the PS that you need. At most the PS is going to be 3 or less depending on brand and whatever exhale relief they might offer. Now short term for a trip outside...maybe you might be okay with very limited PS. Only you can decide that.

[sburke91]

My Bipap prescription is 13/9. My past two travel machines have both been CPAP's. I set the baseline to 13, with max exhale pressure relief (3) and have had great results. AHI's aren't typically different from the BiPap at home (0-1.5, mostly H's), and I feel the same in the AM as I do on the BiPap. Mileage will vary based on your specific situation, but if your base max pressure isn't super-high, you should be able to get away with a portable-sized CPAP.

Yeah that was what I was thinking too, but everything is a bit too expensive to simply try.
What reason do you need a bipap? If its the same maybe I give it a try

When I went for my titration night (just a bit over 10 years ago, I just noticed), I came out with BiPap 13/9 as the script. I didn't know as much as I do now (by far), but they said my AHI was better with the pressure support. I manage my own therapy now, but have stuck with the BiPap at home, and give the machine a bit of leeway to adjust pressures as needed.

[Matt00926]

If you have muscular weakness and need ventilation support while mobile, it sounds like you my fare well with a portable ventilator, if your insurance would cover it. Just one example: the ResMed Astral 150 is a portable ventilator that weighs about 7lbs and has an 8 hour internal battery - and you can add up to two more battery packs (each 8 hours) for a total run time of approximately 24 hours. The Astral can also run in iVAPS mode which varies the IPAP/inhale pressure as needed to reach the same target ventilation goal - so you wouldn't need one straight pressure, as like you said, your needs change. You really need to speak to your physician though.

I am not aware of any smaller of a machine that has decent battery life.

[chunkyfrog]

Matt might have a better plan.
A lot of people resist going on a vent, but it could be in the picture down the road.
The longer one waits, the more trauma there is from going without.