P10 vs. Opus 360 vs. ???

[Sluggish]

I'm still trying to zero in on the right mask. I only have a few more days with the P10 before my return window expires.

The P10 is amazing in certain areas. I really like the mesh vent technology and the seal is almost unbreakable. But the non-adjustable headgear is kinda a joke for the price. I seem to recall someone saying they use headgear from another mask to improve on the P10. Does anyone know what headgear will work with the P10?

Last night was my first night with the Opus 360 and I was up almost all night. In the photos it looked like a better version of the P10 but the vent is not the mesh tech and the seal is not as good even though the nasal pillows look nearly identical to the P10. I had leaks all night and the air from the vent blowing on my arm and the noise etc...

I'm also looking at the Swift FX if I can't make the P10 work. Can anyone tell me where the vents are on the Swift FX? Is it mesh technology like the P10?

[Sluggish]

I should mention I've already tried the Philips Dreamwear stuff.
I'm basically sorting the nasal pillow page by rating and starting at the top.

If the Opus 360 had the "mesh vent technology" and same style nasal pillows it would be great IMO.

Or better yet .... if the P10 had adjustable headgear and a front swivel for the hose I might just have my ideal mask.

So far anyway.

[Nick Danger]

I used the Swift FX before switching to the P10. The reason I switched from the Swift FX was because of its venting issues. The way the vent worked it shot a jet stream of cold air into the face of my partner, waking her up a few times a night. I switched to the P10 because it did a great job of diffusing the vent stream and because it was so minimal it felt like I wasn't wearing a mask. It did take me a while to get used to the headgear and that was my chief complaint early on. There is some adjustment of tightness of the mask by moving the two bands farther apart (for a looser fit) or closer together (for a tighter fit), but it isn't ideal. I wish they had a version of the P10 with the Swift FX headgear. I've gotten used to the P10 headgear and it works fine for me now.

[Pugsy]

You can marry the headgear for the Swift FX nasal pillow to the P10 frame.
I have done it and slept with it. That way you get the adjustability of the Swift FX headgear and the silent venting of the P10.

See this page and scroll down a bit for the image and what I did.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95164&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... &start=195

[Sluggish]

You can marry the headgear for the Swift FX nasal pillow to the P10 frame.
I have done it and slept with it. That way you get the adjustability of the Swift FX headgear and the silent venting of the P10.

See this page and scroll down a bit for the image and what I did.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95164&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... &start=195

Yes this was it. Couldn't find it with the search. Thanks!

[Sluggish]

I used the Swift FX before switching to the P10. The reason I switched from the Swift FX was because of its venting issues. The way the vent worked it shot a jet stream of cold air into the face of my partner, waking her up a few times a night. I switched to the P10 because it did a great job of diffusing the vent stream and because it was so minimal it felt like I wasn't wearing a mask. It did take me a while to get used to the headgear and that was my chief complaint early on. There is some adjustment of tightness of the mask by moving the two bands farther apart (for a looser fit) or closer together (for a tighter fit), but it isn't ideal. I wish they had a version of the P10 with the Swift FX headgear. I've gotten used to the P10 headgear and it works fine for me now.

Yah the P10 is great for the innovative vents. I'm not sure why they wouldn't make the hose swivel at the front but maybe in the next model or something.

All future masks should utilize the mesh vents IMO. They really do make a world of difference.

[Sluggish]

Just noticing it's been nearly 5 years since the P10 hit the market.

Given all the criticism about the headgear, I find it odd that there hasn't been an updated version yet. Also a little odd that Resmed has not made ANY other masks that utilize the mesh tech vent design that everyone seems to love. Or at least none that I can find anyway.

[Pugsy]

Just noticing it's been nearly 12 years since the P10 hit the market.

Where did you find 12 years?
It's not been anywhere near 12 years.
I started therapy in 2009 and at that time the ResMed Swift LT nasal pillow was the latest and greatest.
Then in 2010 they released the ResMed Swift FX
and it was a few more years until they released the P10.

[palerider]

Just noticing it's been nearly 12 years since the P10 hit the market.

Dunno what "P10" you're thinking about, but the Resmed Airfit P10 was introduced in 2014:

January 31, 2014
AirFit P10

ResMed's New Nasal Pillows System is Our Quietest Yet; Ultra-light AirFit P10 Packs Powerful Performance in Just over 1.6 Ounces

[Sluggish]

Yah sorry i don’t get enough sleep, I could have sworn it said 2006 somewhere.
I edited the earlier post to say nearly 5 years instead.

Still... surprised there’s been no 2.0 version after 4+ years. If I could find that screen mesh aftermarket I’d buy some and tape it over the vent on this Opus.

[realshelby]

After buying 8 masks in the 2+ months I have been on cpap therapy....

I have settled on the P10. Two things I have to say that are sometimes brought up about it.

1: I do not want a swivel on the front of the mask! After using several nasal style masks I find the flexibility of the P10 hose to be less apt to move the frame out of place. Part of this is because the hose mounts so close to the frame which allows less leverage. I have found that the swivels in the masks tend to sort of catch every so often and not turn smoothly. The flexible P10 hose cannot do that!

2: Would I buy a P10 with Nuance Pro headgear? Yes! I would like to try one. I like the Nuance Pro headgear very much. But.....once you learn how to use the P10 headgear I have no reason to want to "fix' it. The P10 doesn't require much pressure from the headgear to work well. I have found that if I place the lower band way down toward my neck, and the upper band very near to my forehead that I have a light tension on the nasal pillows and the mask does not move around. I vary this a bit each night just by how you put it on that it does not cause permanent flat spots in my hair like the Dreamwear stuff did.

Once I figured out to spread the two rear straps so far apart I have to say that ResMed has this headgear pretty well figured out. Light, simple, and actually very adjustable. I am amazed at how well this seals with very little pressure. I have zero side effects from wearing this. No need for lanolin or any sensitivity even after all night.

[Pugsy]

Once I figured out to spread the two rear straps so far apart I have to say that ResMed has this headgear pretty well figured out. Light, simple, and actually very adjustable. I am amazed at how well this seals with very little pressure. I have zero side effects from wearing this. No need for lanolin or any sensitivity even after all night.

I agree with you 100%. I never saw any need to really "improve" on the existing P10 design because there are always going to be a few outliers where something or other doesn't quite suit their needs. ResMed tries to design stuff for the majority of the users and that what they do with any of their masks. 99% of the users are probably quite satisfied with it as it is.
The other 1 %.....I guess they have to figure something out but it really isn't all that difficult and there are options available that wouldn't require much "work". It's just the way life is sometimes...sometimes we are the outliers and we have to do the conforming to things.

Those hose is so flexible that I don't even miss a swivel. As far as the headgear sizing goes it can be easily modified to make smaller or larger depending on the need. In fact I have an idea I plan to try for just that but I can't do it just right now. I have some more important stuff on my to do list at the moment.

[Sluggish]

Once I figured out to spread the two rear straps so far apart I have to say that ResMed has this headgear pretty well figured out. Light, simple, and actually very adjustable. I am amazed at how well this seals with very little pressure. I have zero side effects from wearing this. No need for lanolin or any sensitivity even after all night.

I agree with you 100%. I never saw any need to really "improve" on the existing P10 design because there are always going to be a few outliers where something or other doesn't quite suit their needs. ResMed tries to design stuff for the majority of the users and that what they do with any of their masks. 99% of the users are probably quite satisfied with it as it is.
The other 1 %.....I guess they have to figure something out but it really isn't all that difficult and there are options available that wouldn't require much "work". It's just the way life is sometimes...sometimes we are the outliers and we have to do the conforming to things.

Those hose is so flexible that I don't even miss a swivel. As far as the headgear sizing goes it can be easily modified to make smaller or larger depending on the need. In fact I have an idea I plan to try for just that but I can't do it just right now. I have some more important stuff on my to do list at the moment.

I know what you're saying but it's hard to follow completely. I'm sure you're just throwing random numbers out but I would venture to say it's probably higher than 1% of us "outliers". There are good and bad reviews of the P10. Most (if not all) of the bad ones are about the headgear. Also I have seen some that mention their disappointment in the lack of swivel. Even the 4-star good reviews will often say something like "I took off a star for the headgear" etc.. It would not have cost anything extra for them to implement a simple 2 point adjustment for the band and a front hose swivel. Especially for what they're charging $$. Obviously Resmed is aware of the need or they would not include the little band clips (that slide right off). I could be wrong but the band clips seem like an afterthought because it was too late to do a redesign.

Granted all of this is fine I suppose. I can be part of the 1% and try to make adjustments etc. I just find it a bit surprising that Resmed has not put out an updated (better?) version of this mask yet after nearly 5 years. Hopefully they have something in the works but I suppose you'd know better than I. BTW, I've been meaning to ask.. is the womens P10 headgear the same size as the mens?

[Pugsy]

Granted all of this is fine I suppose. I can be part of the 1% and try to make adjustments etc. I just find it a bit surprising that Resmed has not put out an updated (better?) version of this mask yet after nearly 5 years. Hopefully they have something in the works but I suppose you'd know better than I. BTW, I've been meaning to ask.. is the womens P10 headgear the same size as the mens?

Does it really matter what percent??? I was just throwing out numbers as it is obvious I have zero way to validate any of them.
No mask makes 100% of the population happy...heck, I am not 100% happy with the P10 but it checks off more pluses than minuses. I have yet to find any mask that is "perfect" for even me and I adjust very easily to just about anything I try. You have had multiple problems with every mask you have tried so far. You just got unlucky in drew the short straw in the "adjusting to masks department".
Doesn't surprise me one bit that the P10 isn't perfect for you and you think it needs to be improved. You have some pretty special wants and needs and preferences and I don't mean to be rude or ugly about it. It's just the way you are. I am the same way about full face masks.

Resmed doesn't "update" any mask...they redesign and come out with a brand new model. It's the way they have pretty much always done things with the exception of the 15 year old original nasal pillow mask that looked like a snorkel.
They don't listen to us with the exception of the headgear size thing. When the P10 was first released the for Her pink/gray headgear was exactly the same size as the regular blue/gray headgear. I know this for a fact because I bought both and actually measured them.
Sometime between now and then they decided to make the "for Her" headgear smaller.

So for now the for Her headgear is smaller than the regular blue/gray headgear. About 1 1/2 inches smaller. It still stretches out way to easily though (one of the less than perfect things I find about the P10).

No mask out there is ever going to be "perfect" for even the majority of the users. They all come with some pros and cons and each on of us has to decide which mask has more pros than cons when it comes to our own personal wants and needs.
The weakness in the P10 is the headgear and for some people it's a deal breaker but for others we live with it and make the best of it.
The Swift FX has a more adjustable headgear and it will last forever with common sense care but it doesn't have the diffused venting.
There's always some little something we have to decide which is more important for our wants and needs.
And your wants and needs might not be the same wants and needs that I have....or anyone else for that matter.

ResMed doesn't realistically expect to make everyone happy...they market towards the majority and are happy with that.
They really don't listen to use the end users all that much...I haven't seen them actually change a mask via an "update" since the Mirage Swift. The first one had the only place for the hose to go being on the side of the face on the cheek....horribly uncomfortable as it was very hard. They did finally move it so it could be on the top of the head. This was over 10 years ago.
Since then they just design totally new masks and release them. When will the next nasal pillow mask be released? Anyone's guess...they keep things really close to the vest. Only thing I know...I would bet my last dollar that there's something in the works...now what it might be is anyone's guess.
You might think the P10 could be better and I suppose in some ways it could but that's the way it is with all masks.
ResMed probably doesn't think it can be better though or they decided this was it and we could take it or leave it.

What surprises me is that they haven't implemented the diffused venting as much as I thought they would. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread IMHO and I am not alone in that thought.

What you have to do is pick a mask that has more pros than cons in terms of your wants, needs and preferences and work on doing whatever you can to limit the cons. The mask manufacturers get you close but you have to do the rest. It's just the way it is.

[CreativeChris]

Granted all of this is fine I suppose. I can be part of the 1% and try to make adjustments etc. I just find it a bit surprising that Resmed has not put out an updated (better?) version of this mask yet after nearly 5 years. Hopefully they have something in the works but I suppose you'd know better than I. BTW, I've been meaning to ask.. is the womens P10 headgear the same size as the mens?

Does it really matter what percent??? I was just throwing out numbers as it is obvious I have zero way to validate any of them.
No mask makes 100% of the population happy...heck, I am not 100% happy with the P10 but it checks off more pluses than minuses. I have yet to find any mask that is "perfect" for even me and I adjust very easily to just about anything I try. You have had multiple problems with every mask you have tried so far. You just got unlucky in drew the short straw in the "adjusting to masks department".
Doesn't surprise me one bit that the P10 isn't perfect for you and you think it needs to be improved. You have some pretty special wants and needs and preferences and I don't mean to be rude or ugly about it. It's just the way you are. I am the same way about full face masks.

Resmed doesn't "update" any mask...they redesign and come out with a brand new model. It's the way they have pretty much always done things with the exception of the 15 year old original nasal pillow mask that looked like a snorkel.
They don't listen to us with the exception of the headgear size thing. When the P10 was first released the for Her pink/gray headgear was exactly the same size as the regular blue/gray headgear. I know this for a fact because I bought both and actually measured them.
Sometime between now and then they decided to make the "for Her" headgear smaller.

So for now the for Her headgear is smaller than the regular blue/gray headgear. About 1 1/2 inches smaller. It still stretches out way to easily though (one of the less than perfect things I find about the P10).

No mask out there is ever going to be "perfect" for even the majority of the users. They all come with some pros and cons and each on of us has to decide which mask has more pros than cons when it comes to our own personal wants and needs.
The weakness in the P10 is the headgear and for some people it's a deal breaker but for others we live with it and make the best of it.
The Swift FX has a more adjustable headgear and it will last forever with common sense care but it doesn't have the diffused venting.
There's always some little something we have to decide which is more important for our wants and needs.
And your wants and needs might not be the same wants and needs that I have....or anyone else for that matter.

ResMed doesn't realistically expect to make everyone happy...they market towards the majority and are happy with that.
They really don't listen to use the end users all that much...I haven't seen them actually change a mask via an "update" since the Mirage Swift. The first one had the only place for the hose to go being on the side of the face on the cheek....horribly uncomfortable as it was very hard. They did finally move it so it could be on the top of the head. This was over 10 years ago.
Since then they just design totally new masks and release them. When will the next nasal pillow mask be released? Anyone's guess...they keep things really close to the vest. Only thing I know...I would bet my last dollar that there's something in the works...now what it might be is anyone's guess.
You might think the P10 could be better and I suppose in some ways it could but that's the way it is with all masks.
ResMed probably doesn't think it can be better though or they decided this was it and we could take it or leave it.

What surprises me is that they haven't implemented the diffused venting as much as I thought they would. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread IMHO and I am not alone in that thought.

What you have to do is pick a mask that has more pros than cons in terms of your wants, needs and preferences and work on doing whatever you can to limit the cons. The mask manufacturers get you close but you have to do the rest. It's just the way it is.

Have you guys tried (especially you Pugsy) the Dreamwear with nasal pillows? I use it most nights but I would love to try the P10 as I don't love the feel of the frame. I also have the Bravida which is ok for napping but for some reason I don't like the seal when I sleep on my side. If you have tried it and still prefer the P10 I'll spend the money on it, but I wasted my $$$ on the Bravida as I assumed the inflating double seal would do the trick, which is really doesn't.