Has anyone tried Nonin Oxymeter "Onyx II 9550" ?

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Has anyone tried Nonin Oxymeter "Onyx II 9550" ?

Post by Nic » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:09 am

Hello everybody,

I would like to buy an oxymeter for personal use and I have found this model : Onyx II 9550 from Nonin

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On their website, it says (2500 spot-checks or 21 hours of continuous use) , so, it means that checks are done every 30 sec ? I guess this is enough for having accurate results.

First, I was looking for a model that could save data (so that it could be transferred to PC°, but those models seem to be quite expensive (more than 1000 dollars), whereas the nonin model is about 380 dollars.

So, I would like to know if some you use Nonin Oxymeter or alse model that could be reliable.

Feel free to post your point of view regarding this oxymeter or any other one that could give accurate results.

Regards,
Nic

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Post by Handgunner45 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:13 am

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure that the Onyx II just like the original Onyx that we use in the hospital where I work will not log any data. These are only for a quick "spot check" of the pulse and SPO2 levels. Yes they will do 2500 spot checks or last for 21 hours of continuous use but none of those checks are recorded. If you are looking for a system to log your desats over night, this will not be a viable piece of equipment.

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Post by Ric » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:22 am

I have the Nonin Onyx 9500 model. I consider it very accurate and reliable and easy to use. I too wish it would store the results to dump into a computer. I'm not sure how much better the 9550 model is compared to the 9500.

I have informally "calibrated" it against the two other pulse oximeters that I have, (Nellcor N-200, Nellcor N-395) and get essentially the identical values under all conditions, and across a range of test subjects (mostly friends and relatives). If there was a difference in the numbers I would consider the 9500 as probably more accurate because it incorporates their newest technology (the laser diodes and interpretive algorithms).

I don't use it as much as the few months after I got it. But what I learned was VERY informative. If I do a spot check at night when the APAP is doing its job, it's always 98-100. On my sunday morning jog (usually about 15 mi.) it stays a consistent 97-98. THAT was my first surprise after I got the "toy". I would've guessed the sats would take a hit. But nope.

The lowest readings I've seen were after a nap without the APAP and I awoke "gasping for air", (something I am quite familiar with). Lowest value I've seen was 88. Which considering it takes a minute or so to pick up the oximeter and get a reading. A continuously recording oximeter might have shown a lower value I would suppose, just because a minute of gasping for air is going to improve the situation.

Interestingly, I get readings of 94-95 routinely while sitting in my desk at work and banging on the computer for several hours at a time (almost NO physical activity). A short walk up the hall and back puts it back in the 97-99 range. A committee where I am doing a PowerPoint presentation: 99-100. A one-way "teleconference" listening to a speech by the new CEO: 94-95.

Another surprising finding early on, I just HAD to know, that gasping suffocating feeling when you run up twleve flights of stairs. (I work in a tall building). I was SURE this would drop the O2 sat significantly, and thus explain the feeling. The surprise, O2 stayed 98-99 the whole route, across several attempts, across several test subjects (myself, my 2 kids, and about 5 co-workers). My conclusion: that suffocating feeling is probably a "hypercapnic surge", a flood of CO2 due to sudden activity and before the system has had a chance to adapt. (my theory only). I don't consider this "study" to be very scientific. But at least it was informative. This would be hard to do with anything but a portable finger pulse oximeter.

I took it with me while running 2 marathons in the last few months and found (surprisingly) sats stayed in the range of 97-99 the whole route, even when I thought I was near "hitting the wall" as they say. Apparently O2 is not the limiting factor, at least for me. Probably just "out of gas", i.e. sugar. (Or just poor protoplasm). .

I got my Nonin on eBay for under $200, and some ferocious bidding. The older technology Nellcors I also got on eBay for about $30 ea, hospitals are dumping these routinely. But if you get one of these older units be SURE to get a cable with it, otherwise you will find a new cable is more expensive than the machine. (I have since misplaced/lost the N-395 cable, I'm thinking of making one from parts which are readily available, rather than spring for $100+ from the rip-off DMEs). These bedside units CAN be interfaced to a computer. Several here have done that. (Nighthawkeye?)


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Post by Ellen » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:44 pm

I have Nonin Onyx oximeter and have calibrated it with PCPs - One thing you folks have to remember about oximeter readings is ALTITUDE - I live at 6800 feet where 96/97 would be TOPS. When I go to PCP tops is 95/96 and when I go to see my Mom at 7300 feet, the best I can do is 93/94. Now, for me, this is with supplemental oxygen in the mix - just want everyone to be aware that 98-100% is impossible at 6800 feet on normal air. Someone out there probably knows the actual altitude conversion factor and MAYBE I'M TOTALLY WRONG and am just basing this on my own personal experience - which has to factor in a severe pneumonia in September that had my 02 BELOW 80 and could only get to 83 with 5L oxygen - now have that 5L 02 connected to mask.

I'm going to look into the Nellcor N-395 oximeter that I think it was NightHawk that talked about having one and see what they involve.

Someone out there tell me I'm wrong and tell me where to find optimum 02 sats according to elevation.

Breathing thin air inWyoming
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Re: nonin oximeter

Post by Ric » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:24 pm

Ellen wrote:Someone out there probably knows the actual altitude conversion factor
Here are a couple of links, oriented to the aviation crowd:

http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181896-1.html

http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181936-1.html
Brent Blue, M.D. Senior Aviation Medical Examiner from AVweb news wrote:When using a pulse oximeter, what blood oxygen saturation level is considered normal? The answer varies from one individual to another, and depends on lots of factors, including age, cardiopulmonary conditioning, and altitude acclimatization. However, as a general guideline, the following pulse oximeter readings can be considered normal:

Alt (MSL) O2 Saturation
Sea Level 95-100%
10,000' 88-93%
13,000' 83-88%
16,000' 75-80%
20,000' 70-75%
The above table assumes NOT using supplemental oxygen.
WITH oxygen, the O2 sats can be in the low to mid 90's at 20K'.