moaning/humming?

[ironhands]

So my general untreated/pretested symptoms, other than been tired, depressed and irritable, wondering if anyone else has similar symptoms.

The obvious ones, waking up feeling like I don't need to breathe anymore, taking very shallow breaths, waking up taking massive deep/full breaths.

From the dentist - red spots on my tongue from pressing hard on my teeth during sleep - he's the one who told me to get tested again, as he uses a CPAP, and recognized the signs.

I sleep alone so I don't know how bad I snore, but, this is the odd part, I groan or hum when I exhale, enough to wake myself up sometimes. When I was sharing a bed, I'd generally wake up with extensive bruising to my ribs, generally elbow-shaped Is this also a common symptom (the noises, not the spousal abuse)? I don't see it very often in other posts or info on general sleep apnea.

[pootsie]

I only do that when I'm sick

[kteague]

Wow, except for the bruised ribs at some point all the other things you named I've experienced. I'm guessing the sounds are related to apnea events. I woke up to such sounds a few times. You say the dentist suggested you be tested again. I'm a little confused. Does that mean you are using a machine and it is no more effective than before CPAP, that you were tested but not diagnosed, or that the dentist told you another time to get tested? If these things are happening in your life right now, it sure sounds like sleep apnea signs to me.

[ironhands]

Wow, except for the bruised ribs at some point all the other things you named I've experienced. I'm guessing the sounds are related to apnea events. I woke up to such sounds a few times. You say the dentist suggested you be tested again. I'm a little confused. Does that mean you are using a machine and it is no more effective than before CPAP, that you were tested but not diagnosed, or that the dentist told you another time to get tested? If these things are happening in your life right now, it sure sounds like sleep apnea signs to me.

Yeah, I worded that poorly, I wasn't tested or diagnosed. My old shrink referred me to one when I was taking antidepressants and was having some really bad sleep issues, was passing out during the day, really vivid and sometimes lucid dreams, false awakenings, it was a mess. The clinic he referred me to was never able to get in touch with me to schedule an appointment so I just didn't bother with it. But now, after a second unrelated doctor suggested it, it's seemingly more likely, especially since I've noticed myself waking up with breathing issues.

I've also heard that SSRI's can lead to apnea events, even after you've stopped taking them, so might be something there too.

I'll be heading for my first round of testing soon.

[pootsie]

Good luck with your testing!

Knowing what the testing will be like made it easier on me. There is a ton of info and super-friendly helpful members here to virtually hold your hand through it all

[ironhands]

Heh, thanks. I'm not at all worried about it, I do an insane amount of research before doing anything. I had my wisdom teeth pulled last year, spent a week watching vids on youtube to see exactly what was being done, what tools, etc. I nearly fell asleep during it I was so relaxed, and I wasn't on anything other than the lidocaine

[Kshynes]

I often make a moaning sound as I am falling asleep, with machine or not. I just attributed it to my body/throat/voice box relaxing as I was falling into sleep. Hmmm.

[kteague]

Glad this time you are taking heed and addressing the issue. Keep us up on how things are progressing.

[jdm2857]

Please don't let Avi see the word "moaning".

[ironhands]

we have a winner - catathrenia!

It's successfully treated with CPAP, so hopefully my sleep study will demonstrate enough of a need for one, or they'll find some other OSA signs as well. I'm sick of being half asleep at work

[Tom W]

we have a winner - catathrenia!

It's successfully treated with CPAP.

Perhaps. Perhaps NOT.

I've been researching this condition for a few years now and there are quite a few members on the yahoo group for Catathrenia that have not had much, if any, luck with CPAP. There's also a sleep disorder forum in the UK that also has a few Catathrenia sufferers.

I'm not sure how many users at either site have been 'officially diagnosed' with the condition and how many figured that their symptoms fit so 'therefore they must have it'.

Most of the many, many members state that they do NOT have ANY daytime sleepiness. Of course you could have Catathrenia AND OSA.

I would think CPAP is definitely worth a try and even if you don't qualify for one after your sleep test they're cheap enough on the second hand market to buy out of pocket but I would suggest going through your doctor since it's easier to get initial machine settings/mask fittings and there is a small chance that CPAP could cause a condition known as complex sleep apnea.

Please do let us know how you make out.

[ironhands]

Very true, it's still a relatively "rare" problem, and there certainly is a chance that both problems could exist. In my case, I suspect it's both.

There seem to be a few studies done that I had located that showed CPAP as being an effective resolution, but again, with the numbers, and underlying causes of catathrenia being somewhat vague, I guess it's really hard to make an accurate study, especially when in many cases it's a completely benign condition.

The daytime sleepiness is certainly an issue for me, and I frequently wake myself in the night from my noises, and disturb others - I share a house and if I'm waking others in the night for much longer, I'm out the door

I could go the self-treatment route - someone local to me sent me a PM the other day offering to give me one of their older units since money's a factor for me, but I'd really like to have an official and accurate diagnosis.

Really sick of feeling like crap all the time, it's an issue at work, and it's very difficult to have a social life; I'm only 30

[Tom W]

Really sick of feeling like crap all the time, it's an issue at work, and it's very difficult to have a social life; I'm only 30

AND untreated sleep apnea can/will do some serious damage to your body.

[ironhands]

and probably already has

I really hope this is finally the resolution I've been looking for, tried a shrink to treat the depression, did 3 rounds of antidepressants over 4 years, tried exercise, dietary changes, lifestyle changes, even holistic and "dietary supplements" with no success

[Goofproof]

Antidepressants, seem to cause moaning/humming. I see it as a result of the med's making you feel better/happier, it's a small price to pay for feeling better. Jim