Swift FX Nano

Hey guys! So, I was thinking of moving from the Quattro Air (full face) to the Swift Fx Nano (nose only). I was considering changing because the quattro I have now gives me neck pain because of the strap that rides really low on the back of your head, is the Swift Fx Nano different in the sense that there is no strap there? And does anyone who uses it have any useful info? Or review or anything? Thanks guys! Oh, and somebody on another forum also mentions the Airfit P10, any thoughts on that mask? Thanks!

https://www.respshop.com/images/RespSho ... -Air-3.jpg The strap I'm talking about.

The Swift FX Nano uses the same headgear as the Swift FX nasal pillow mask and that back strap shouldn't be a problem with your neck area and that lower back strap on the Quattro. It doe isn't go that low and the tension isn't so much either.
I can't wear any mask with lower back straps that come in contact with the base of my skull and cervical spine area. My neck will pretty much scream at me "don't do that or else you get this massive neck headache I am giving you to go along with neck pain."
This is one of the reasons I simply won't use a full face mask...I don't want a neck headache because I don't sleep so great when my neck hurts.

I was a long time Swift FX nasal pillow user until the Tap Pap was released (see the link in my profile) and I just have this thing about "less on my face and head" and found that the Tap Pap with no headgear at all was a really sweet deal. The mouth guard didn't bother me. Then in Jan of this year the ResMed AirFit P10 nasal pillow mask was released so I just had to try it because I like to try pretty much any new nasal pillow mask. I haven't changed my profile mask...not sure why because I am still using the P10. For a while I had a tooth problem that made the mouth guard uncomfortable...lower back molar not even touched by the guard but instead just an old tooth with old fillings that had leaked and caused pain so I stuck with the P10 and I am so happy with it that I just have got lazy and not bothered to refit the mouth guard.
The P10 headgear is about as minimal as a person can get. The back strap on it doesn't fit close to the neck but it's so small that if it slips down into that area it really is a non issue. Not nearly as wide and not nearly as much tension is applied.

About the Nano cushion...it's the only nasal cushion mask that I can successfully use. I tried it with my Swift FX gear since it fits on the nasal pillow headgear and short hose assembly. So I was able to try it with my existing headgear and short hose without buying a whole new mask setup. Worked fine.
Now if someone doesn't already have the Swift FX nasal pillow gear and want to try the Nano...buy the Nano complete setup as the short hose is a little improved over the first short hose. If later a person wants to visit the nasal pillow then all you have to buy is a nasal pillow. Despite was ResMed says the short hose and the headgear is interchangeable. I know because I tried all possible combinations with both because I bought just the Nano short hose just to see if there is a difference in function or improvement...it's a tiny bit lighter and more flexible.

I don't know why you are using a full face mask...maybe thought you were a mouth breather either some of the time or all of the time. If you normally can breathe through your nose just fine then a nasal mask of some sort is a viable experiment.
If you have severe nasal congestion or problems with deviated septum to the point you simply can't get the nose opened up enough to be comfortable breathing only through your nose and you HAVE to mouth breathe then you need a full face mask.
But if you can normally breathe okay through your nose with your mouth closed...nasal only is worth a try.

Some people mouth breathe or have their mouths fall open out of habit or gravity when sleeping on their backs.
If it's habit...habits can be broke or at least limited to where they aren't a huge issue.
There are ways to reduce the mouth opening issue should it occur.
My mouth opens sometimes..most of the time I am on my back when it happens. Doesn't always happen though.
Since it's rare and any mouth breathing I might do is short lived I have opted to not worry about it. Yes, I sometimes see short brief times in large leak but maybe 15 minutes on a bad night...and out of 7 or 8 hours...I simply don't care.
Remember my preference "less on my face and head"...I am not going to add more stuff to my face or head just to fix 15 minutes of leaks (that I sleep through anyway) because adding more stuff messes with my sleep quality more than 15 minutes of maybe mouth breathing leaks.

We each have to decide what our own preferences and needs are and make choices based on those needs and preferences.

I usually tell people...if you are interested in a mask...that's enough reason to try it.
I have tried more than I can count. I always learn something...Always learn something.
Now sometimes all I learned is "I hate that damn thing" but I learned something.
If we can try other masks (insurance and money permits) by all means try them...otherwise we will always be "what iffing"...what if I like it better?

It's an expensive experiment though...so if buying out of pocket check on the return insurance available at cpap.om.
I think the Nano and the P10 are still offered with free return insurance. Check to confirm though. Cpap.com will even send you an email with a label that can be printed off and the return shipping is prepaid. All explained in the return insurance 30 day thing. That way if you hate it...you can get your money back.

Wow! Thanks again Pugsy! That was very detailed and answered my question perfectly! But one more thing, out of the Swift Fx Nano, and the P10, what would you say is the most comfortable? You've had them both right?

You are asking someone who has used nothing but a nasal pillow mask (except for brief trials with other masks) for over 5 years which is more comfortable. And remember "less on my face"...
The P10 is more comfortable but the Nano isn't uncomfortable...I just like the feel of nasal pillows the best because there isn't as much mask touching my nose. Less surface area for the mask's silicone to touch the skin.

I used the Nano for about 10 to 14 days, I forget how long exactly. I tried it with various configurations of the headgear and the 2 hose and even tried it with the Swift FX Bella Loops (and it worked great with the loops which was another surprise)...It looked interesting to me so I tried it. Previously I had tried the Respironics Wisp which is very similar cushion but the headgear is different but I wasn't able to sleep longer than 90 minutes with the Wisp. The pressure of the Wisp cushion on my nasal bridge are caused my nose to get congested.
I got the Nano with every expectation that I wouldn't be able to use it but I got a pleasant surprise.
I still have the Nano. I kept it despite my original intention of just passing it along to someone who might need it. I didn't expect it to work well for me at all but was pleasantly surprised. I kept it for maybe sometime when I couldn't use a nasal pillow mask because of a problem with the nostrils where the pillows sit...like maybe a painful pimple or something in my nostrils (which has happened but not so painful I couldn't use the pillows).

I have no idea which you might like the best. Some people don't like the way the air feels shooting up the nose with nasal pillows but don't have a problem with that same air with a nasal cushion.

There are review threads for both the Nano and the P10...Nano being older thread. If you search the forum you can probably find them.
There's always pros and cons to any mask and there's always going to be people who love it or hate it for sometimes the very same reason.
The biggest drawback to the P10 (from established nasal pillow users) is the headgear for the P10. It's one size fits all and for people with large heads that means a little too tight initially but the headgear does stretch a bit.
Even with my experience with nasal pillows I had some initially general overall end of the nose discomfort as the pillows were a wee bit snug. My nose felt like it had run into someone's fist and I never had that happen with the other pillow masks. It only lasted 2 or 3 days though and now I have to wash the stretchy headgear every so often so I can shrink it a little.

Oh...I am still using the first nasal pillow that I started with in January. Haven't had the need to replace it yet.
But then I have always got months and months of use no matter if it was the Swift LT or the Swift FX or the Tap Pap and now the P10.

I don't know if you will like either or both or none.
If you get the Nano and want to try nasal pillows...send me a note as I have some spare new/unused Swift FX nasal pillows that you could use with the Nano gear. That way you could try both the Nano and a nasal pillow and see if you like the nasal pillow well enough to maybe try the P10. The P10 nasal pillow and the Swift FX nasal pillow feel and look very similar in the pillow part that sits on the nostril area. Would give you a decent enough idea if you like the pillows or not.
The P10 I don't have any spares of anything for it. I did have a couple donated a while back but those are long gone and everyone like it.

So if you want to experiment with nasal pillows and still want to try the Nano...buy the Nano mask setup package and send me a private message and I will send you a couple of sizes of the FX nasal pillows that will fit on the Nano gear and that way you can try both with minimal cost and still use the Nano free return policy.
I have plenty of XSmalls, Small and Larges but no Mediums...those are the most popular size but I can send you a Small and a Large and it will get you close enough to see if you like a nasal pillow mask or not. Often people can use more than one size if they had to. I could use both the XSmall and Small in the Swift FX..could maybe get by with a Medium if I had to.
In the P10 I have to use a Small as the XSmall is problematic and the medium is so so but could used it in a pinch.

If you want to see for yourself, check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8 -- for a full review of the nano.

hyperlexis wrote:If you want to see for yourself, check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8 -- for a full review of the nano.

Link seems broken :/

Pugsy wrote:You are asking someone who has used nothing but a nasal pillow mask (except for brief trials with other masks) for over 5 years which is more comfortable. And remember "less on my face"...
The P10 is more comfortable but the Nano isn't uncomfortable...I just like the feel of nasal pillows the best because there isn't as much mask touching my nose. Less surface area for the mask's silicone to touch the skin.

I used the Nano for about 10 to 14 days, I forget how long exactly. I tried it with various configurations of the headgear and the 2 hose and even tried it with the Swift FX Bella Loops (and it worked great with the loops which was another surprise)...It looked interesting to me so I tried it. Previously I had tried the Respironics Wisp which is very similar cushion but the headgear is different but I wasn't able to sleep longer than 90 minutes with the Wisp. The pressure of the Wisp cushion on my nasal bridge are caused my nose to get congested.
I got the Nano with every expectation that I wouldn't be able to use it but I got a pleasant surprise.
I still have the Nano. I kept it despite my original intention of just passing it along to someone who might need it. I didn't expect it to work well for me at all but was pleasantly surprised. I kept it for maybe sometime when I couldn't use a nasal pillow mask because of a problem with the nostrils where the pillows sit...like maybe a painful pimple or something in my nostrils (which has happened but not so painful I couldn't use the pillows).

I have no idea which you might like the best. Some people don't like the way the air feels shooting up the nose with nasal pillows but don't have a problem with that same air with a nasal cushion.

There are review threads for both the Nano and the P10...Nano being older thread. If you search the forum you can probably find them.
There's always pros and cons to any mask and there's always going to be people who love it or hate it for sometimes the very same reason.
The biggest drawback to the P10 (from established nasal pillow users) is the headgear for the P10. It's one size fits all and for people with large heads that means a little too tight initially but the headgear does stretch a bit.
Even with my experience with nasal pillows I had some initially general overall end of the nose discomfort as the pillows were a wee bit snug. My nose felt like it had run into someone's fist and I never had that happen with the other pillow masks. It only lasted 2 or 3 days though and now I have to wash the stretchy headgear every so often so I can shrink it a little.

Oh...I am still using the first nasal pillow that I started with in January. Haven't had the need to replace it yet.
But then I have always got months and months of use no matter if it was the Swift LT or the Swift FX or the Tap Pap and now the P10.

I don't know if you will like either or both or none.
If you get the Nano and want to try nasal pillows...send me a note as I have some spare new/unused Swift FX nasal pillows that you could use with the Nano gear. That way you could try both the Nano and a nasal pillow and see if you like the nasal pillow well enough to maybe try the P10. The P10 nasal pillow and the Swift FX nasal pillow feel and look very similar in the pillow part that sits on the nostril area. Would give you a decent enough idea if you like the pillows or not.
The P10 I don't have any spares of anything for it. I did have a couple donated a while back but those are long gone and everyone like it.

So if you want to experiment with nasal pillows and still want to try the Nano...buy the Nano mask setup package and send me a private message and I will send you a couple of sizes of the FX nasal pillows that will fit on the Nano gear and that way you can try both with minimal cost and still use the Nano free return policy.
I have plenty of XSmalls, Small and Larges but no Mediums...those are the most popular size but I can send you a Small and a Large and it will get you close enough to see if you like a nasal pillow mask or not. Often people can use more than one size if they had to. I could use both the XSmall and Small in the Swift FX..could maybe get by with a Medium if I had to.
In the P10 I have to use a Small as the XSmall is problematic and the medium is so so but could used it in a pinch.

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind, the hard part might be adapting to sleeping without breathing through my mouth at all! Do the chin straps really help with that? Or did you not ever need one? I think what I'll do is go to my supplier and try them both and see which is more comfortable because the full face mask is driving me CRAZY! Thanks!

H4X0R46 wrote:the hard part might be adapting to sleeping without breathing through my mouth at all! Do the chin straps really help with that? Or did you not ever need one?

Chin straps can help but not guaranteed that they will help enough. Sometimes the habit of opening the mouth is very strong and hard to over come..

No...I don't bother with chin straps or taping my mouth anymore. I did that for a couple of months when I first started therapy but found out that 98% of the time my mouth stayed closed without doing anything about it...so I decided was more trouble than I wanted to do to prevent maybe 10 minutes or so of not so great leak control.

If you are mouth breathing only out of habit and not out of physical need....hey...give a nasal only mask of some sort a try. Habits can be broken and the comfort may just be worth it to you.

I used the Swift FX nasal pillows for her for quite a long time a few years ago. I switched to different masks for awhile. Just recently I bought a Swift FX Nano cushion, because I read here that it was interchangeable with the Swift FX nasal pillows and I had the headgear, nasal pillows and short hose. The Nano is the most comfortable nasal cushion I have used.

They are interchangeable. I did buy a new Swift FX Nano headgear and hose when I got the Nano cushions. Now I have 2 headgear sets, 2 short tubes (old and new) and several nasal pillows and several nasal cushions for the Swift FXs for her. I can change as I choose. I like nasal pillows best but go to the nasal cushion if I am congested or just want to give my nares a rest from the pillows.

I, like Pugsy, have never been able to use a full face mask at all and found chinstraps of no use.

I am very happy with the choices I now have.

A lot depends on your own face.
To be quite sure, you need to try any mask, --with the ability to send it back if it is not right for your face/head.

Sorry try this for the FX Nano video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ay33IzWC0c