Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

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Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by T.D. » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:59 am

I'm recently diagnosed with Osama. I was dispersed a full face mask but get fearful using it. I'm thinking it's because I feel like I'm rebreathing my exhaled air (CO2). Can anyone tell me where the CO2 is going so I don't have this concern?

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:14 am

All masks for home use are vented for CO2 washout

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by cands » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:27 am

All masks have inbuilt venting to ensure the CO2 does not build up.

When the mask is sealed to the face you can always feel this venting air escaping to the outside. So, when you breath out, your exhaled breath is mixing with the air coming down the tube from the machine and venting to the outside. This ensures that when you breathe in, you are breathing all, or certainly mostly, fresh air. The CO2 can never build up.

Each mask also has an anti-asphyxiation valve, that stays shut when provided by air under pressure from the machine, but opens when the machine stops, ensuring that you can breathe in and out normally. I was a little afraid of what would happen during a power failure, but I discovered I usually just keep on sleeping with the anti-asphyxiation valve doing what it was designed to.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Gasper62 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:36 pm

Did you seriously believe that that issue hadn't been taken into consideration in the design of this pap stuff ?

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Wulfman... » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:51 pm

T.D. wrote:I'm recently diagnosed with Osama. I was dispersed a full face mask but get fearful using it. I'm thinking it's because I feel like I'm rebreathing my exhaled air (CO2). Can anyone tell me where the CO2 is going so I don't have this concern?
Which specific mask.......make and model?

There actually ARE non-vented masks used in and for very specific circumstances.
But, for all intents and purposes, you should NOT have one of those.

Some discussion of them in this thread.

viewtopic/t48554/Non-Vented-Mask--Perio ... -Else.html

There should be vent holes (somewhere) in the front of your mask and you should be able to feel some of the air coming out of them when your machine is on and blowing. If you can feel some of that air, your mask is expelling the CO2 as you sleep and you're not re-breathing it.
Put your mask on, start your machine and see for yourself.

Also, my condolences for your diagnosis of "Osama".


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Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:12 pm

Osama: OSA after spellcheck.
The high fructose corn syrup of literature.

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Post by Goofproof » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:16 pm

Lucky for us, Also, my condolences for your diagnosis of "Osama". "Osama Care", was curable 8 years ago, but now after the Liberals ans Socialest took over, maybe its a fatal ailment...... Jim
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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:03 am

Goofproof wrote:Lucky for us, Also, my condolences for your diagnosis of "Osama". "Osama Care", was curable 8 years ago, but now after the Liberals ans Socialest took over, maybe its a fatal ailment...... Jim
I think the last CPAP Osama used was a reliable Navy Seal HK416... in fact, so effective he never woke up. As I recall, Obama wrote the Rx.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by T.D. » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:46 pm

Thanks to all who replied! I'm actually T.D.'s wife at Her wits end trying to get him to comply. Yesterday I got 15 minutes out of him using but keeps sitting up and down. Today I tried to get him to just lay on the bed. Up and down again. Last night he came to bed yawning (mind you during the day he falls asleep the second he sits still). Yawning told me he was in need of sleep but insisted he couldn't get his legs to relax. Fighting it or claustrophobic I don't know. Tried to get him to sit in chair, oops yet another trip to the bathroom. I finally gave him 1/2 Ativan to relax him. He went in loft and slept again without mask.

Today I told him as long as he used it a total of 4 hrs he'd at least be complying, didn't have to lay down if he didn't want, just use it. All of your suggestions are helping.

He's using a full mask P10 I believe it is. His flow is 7.0 and ramp set at 4.0 for 45 minutes. I have a call into distributor. I explained and showed him where his CO2 vent was, explained it was nothing more than a fan by getting him to put mask on and just ran hose around face.

After he finally hooked up said wasn't getting enough air on ramp but 7.0 too much. Now I'm going to try turning on overhead fan with ramp and see if that helps.

He's had machine 21 days and less than an hour of use.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Julie » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:59 pm

Get that ramp off, or at least the time waaay down to e.g. 5 mins if that... he's not getting treated properly... 45 mins to get from 4 (default machine low) to 7?

Do you know anyone out there at all (we're strangers) who can just sit him down and, as with an intervention, get him to wise up and start acting responsibly? He's getting away with everything because he can, but maybe needs some consequences to do better.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Wulfman... » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:27 pm

T.D. wrote:Thanks to all who replied! I'm actually T.D.'s wife at Her wits end trying to get him to comply. Yesterday I got 15 minutes out of him using but keeps sitting up and down. Today I tried to get him to just lay on the bed. Up and down again. Last night he came to bed yawning (mind you during the day he falls asleep the second he sits still). Yawning told me he was in need of sleep but insisted he couldn't get his legs to relax. Fighting it or claustrophobic I don't know. Tried to get him to sit in chair, oops yet another trip to the bathroom. I finally gave him 1/2 Ativan to relax him. He went in loft and slept again without mask.

Today I told him as long as he used it a total of 4 hrs he'd at least be complying, didn't have to lay down if he didn't want, just use it. All of your suggestions are helping.

He's using a full mask P10 I believe it is. His flow is 7.0 and ramp set at 4.0 for 45 minutes. I have a call into distributor. I explained and showed him where his CO2 vent was, explained it was nothing more than a fan by getting him to put mask on and just ran hose around face.

After he finally hooked up said wasn't getting enough air on ramp but 7.0 too much. Now I'm going to try turning on overhead fan with ramp and see if that helps.

He's had machine 21 days and less than an hour of use.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks.
Keep trying to get him to use it while sitting in his chair......watching TV or whatever.

As Julie suggested, turn off the Ramp and maybe get a little more air flowing through. Personally, I'd be suffocating at pressures below 10 cm.

Get the provider's manual and learn to tweak the settings yourself (both of you).
If you keep relying on the medical establishment, it'll take forever (if even that short of a time) to get everything sorted out.

Which specific machine.......make and model......and all of the settings? If it's a data-capable machine you can get software to monitor the therapy and SEE what's going on.


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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:35 pm

If 4 cm starting ramp doesn't move enough air and he feels like he is suffocating but he says going without the ramp and starting at 7 cm is too much air....change the starting ramp pressure to something that is more comfortable. It doesn't have to start at 4...it can start at 5 or 6 or in between.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by T.D. » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:48 pm

By the way ramp was set at 45 minutes because respiratory thought perhaps that would give him enough time to get to sleep.

I told him tonight to come to bed an hour earlier since I noticed he WAS laying on sofa in loft.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by palerider » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:52 pm

T.D. wrote:By the way ramp was set at 45 minutes because respiratory thought
it's often a bad assumption to attribute any actions of respiratory to 'thought'.

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Re: Where does exhaled air go using a face mask?

Post by Malinalli73 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:38 pm

Sir NoddinOff wrote:
Goofproof wrote:Lucky for us, Also, my condolences for your diagnosis of "Osama". "Osama Care", was curable 8 years ago, but now after the Liberals ans Socialest took over, maybe its a fatal ailment...... Jim
I think the last CPAP Osama used was a reliable Navy Seal HK416... in fact, so effective he never woke up. As I recall, Obama wrote the Rx.

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