Machine runs out of water.

First night using CPAP in months. Ran out of water in about 5 hours. New hose. New mask. Part of the reason I stopped. Can't last all night. Feels pointless. What would you guys recommend for making the water last? Thanks for the help. This community is giving me the courage and wisdom to get back on treatment. It honesty has always felt overwhelming to try and figure out and it seems like Drs can't tell you much bout sleep apnea treatment except go get a sleep test again. This community is the best. Thank you again for the help.

Btw it's a Phillips Respironics system one I believe.

The most likely cause of excess water use is a leak. The more air flowing over the water the more water that will be wicked away. Download Sleepyhead and check for leaks during the nite. Search this forum for more info.

Several possible reasons for high water use....(1) You have the humidifier set too high...(2) If you have Air Conditioning /heat running it is dry in your house and more water will be used (don't know where you are located)...(3) You are mouth breathing which acts like a leak.

Welcome to the forum.
A couple of bookkeeping things first.

Could you go to the User Control Panel (upper left) and post your equipment? You can get the model number from the bottom of the machine (blower unit not the humidifier part). Check the display on this forum by clicking Preview to make sure your machine is displaying properly. If it is an older machine, it may not display properly and then you will need to just type in the description in the signature box.

Do you have a heated hose - it has electrical connections where it plugs into the humidifier.

finally, it will be helpful to you to get a copy of all sleep studies so that you can have available to you the answers to any more questions from forum members.

End of Bookkeeping.

Is your mask a nasal a mask? If so, and you are mouth breathing, then excessive water use might result.
If your mask is a full face mask, then mouth breathing is normal and does use more water.

Is your mouth dry when you wake up in the night? That would be an indicator of mouth breathing.
So, some things to try:
Get a soft cervical collar - Walmart, CVS, etc. and use it. The collar will support your jaw and stop your mouth from falling open when your facial muscles relax with sleep. When using a full face mask, having the jaw drop, even just a little, can cause mask leaks and cause the problem you are having.

Check to see the level of humidity that your machine is providing. It may be that you can lower it a little and solve this particular problem.

Get a copy of SleepyHead software and begin to track your therapy. This is only helpful if your machine does collect the data needed. Not all CPAP machines do collect the data and that is the reason that filling out the equipment list in the User Control Panel is helpful.

If you have a full data machine, and these other suggestions don't solve the problem, there are other methods that can help. But first things first, try the simple ones and maybe all will be well.

Which model System One machine?
Look on the bottom of the blower unit for a 3 digit number which may have DS or REF in front or behind it.
Tell us those 3 digits.
It's important to know because you want check for large leaks and not all machines will gather leak data.

And does your hose have a black coupling on the end that goes to the humidifier lid? This is important to know.

What humidifier setting are you using?
What pressure are you using?

It shouldn't use all the water in 5 hours unless something is going on and the first suspect would be large leak.
Even at the max setting in the driest of environments it should last the biggest part of the night.

I have this problem with the Phillips Dream Station. For the record, my pressure is 13½ , and I have the humidity on high. Since I get up at least once during the night to use the toilet, I've learned to refill it at that time.

If you can otherwise sleep through the night, or doing this would severely disrupt your sleep, you can try a lower humidity setting.

The heated hose makes it possible to deliver more humidity. Thus, if the tank has the same capacity as the older machines, it stands to reason that the tank would empty sooner.

My water lasts from 7-10 hours, depending on the humidity in the room.
Get a cheapie hygrometer, and observe the correlation yourself.

Pugsy wrote:Which model System One machine?
Look on the bottom of the blower unit for a 3 digit number which may have DS or REF in front or behind it.
Tell us those 3 digits.
It's important to know because you want check for large leaks and not all machines will gather leak data.

And does your hose have a black coupling on the end that goes to the humidifier lid? This is important to know.

What humidifier setting are you using?
What pressure are you using?

It shouldn't use all the water in 5 hours unless something is going on and the first suspect would be large leak.
Even at the max setting in the driest of environments it should last the biggest part of the night.

ref 560p. Yes it has a black coupling. It was on humidity 3 I just changed it to and I usually you the 5 setting. Thank you everyone.

I have the same problem.. My Vicks cold air humidifier decided it was going to work any more. Without the humidifier running in the bedroom my machine water is emptied after 4 to 5 hours, and I wake up all congested its terrible.

I like to keep my setting for humidity to 4 on my 760 machine. I have found changing the setting to 3 gets me closer to 7 hours of sleep before the water runs dry.

I would recommend running a room humidifier in your bedroom to not run out of water in your pap machine. If you like the extra humidity the machine offers but runs out of water.

I wish you well..

I have the Philips DreamStation and it consistantly is out of water when I wake up after 6 hours of use. the supplier gave me a new humidifier after my first week of use. The same problem still exists. It does have the heated hose connection. I'm running at 2 humidity. It's out of water whether I have the preheat on or not. My wife wakes up when it runs out of water because it makes a gurgling noise. I'm considering asking my insurance if there's another brand they'll cover. Having dry air blown into my nose & throat is painful. It is dry in the high desert, but that 's all the reason for a more humid air supply. And I'm not a mouth breather. 2/3/2017.

Isnore2 wrote:I have the Philips DreamStation and it consistantly is out of water when I wake up after 6 hours of use. the supplier gave me a new humidifier after my first week of use. The same problem still exists. It does have the heated hose connection. I'm running at 2 humidity. It's out of water whether I have the preheat on or not. My wife wakes up when it runs out of water because it makes a gurgling noise. I'm considering asking my insurance if there's another brand they'll cover. Having dry air blown into my nose & throat is painful. It is dry in the high desert, but that 's all the reason for a more humid air supply. And I'm not a mouth breather. 2/3/2017.

Have you checked your software reports for large leaks? You ARE using software, aren't you? Excessive leakage can cause more water being expelled in various ways. If you use a nasal mask, it could be coming out your mouth (even though you claim not to be a mouth-breather). Mouth-breathing and mouth-leaking are different problems from the same source.

I also live in a high, dry altitude and use "passover" humidification......no heat but water in the tank, year-round......and have no problems with that.

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Wulfman... wrote:

Isnore2 wrote:I have the Philips DreamStation and it consistantly is out of water when I wake up after 6 hours of use. the supplier gave me a new humidifier after my first week of use. The same problem still exists. It does have the heated hose connection. I'm running at 2 humidity. It's out of water whether I have the preheat on or not. My wife wakes up when it runs out of water because it makes a gurgling noise. I'm considering asking my insurance if there's another brand they'll cover. Having dry air blown into my nose & throat is painful. It is dry in the high desert, but that 's all the reason for a more humid air supply. And I'm not a mouth breather. 2/3/2017.

Have you checked your software reports for large leaks? You ARE using software, aren't you? Excessive leakage can cause more water being expelled in various ways. If you use a nasal mask, it could be coming out your mouth (even though you claim not to be a mouth-breather). Mouth-breathing and mouth-leaking are different problems from the same source.

I also live in a high, dry altitude and use "passover" humidification......no heat but water in the tank, year-round......and have no problems with that.

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As I previously posted, my DreamStation also runs out of water before morning if I don't refill during the night. My pressure is 13.5 min/20 max (it has never gone above 17 and it rarely goes above 15.5). This is a change in my setting from my last posting to this thread in September. I set the humidity on max and use a heated hose. Sleepyhead does report significant leakage, but Dreammapper (the software provided by Phillips) report no significant leakage. I believe that this is due to known issue with Sleepyhead (i.e. the leaks are "fake news").

Higher pressures will also use up water faster.......along with higher HH settings.


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Isnore2 wrote:I have the Philips DreamStation and it consistantly is out of water when I wake up after 6 hours of use. the supplier gave me a new humidifier after my first week of use. The same problem still exists. It does have the heated hose connection. I'm running at 2 humidity. It's out of water whether I have the preheat on or not. My wife wakes up when it runs out of water because it makes a gurgling noise. I'm considering asking my insurance if there's another brand they'll cover. Having dry air blown into my nose & throat is painful. It is dry in the high desert, but that 's all the reason for a more humid air supply. And I'm not a mouth breather. 2/3/2017.

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