ASV Machines

Beware of using ASV machines. I used a CPAP for 10+ years. I have obstructive and complex sleep apnea. My doctor changed me to an ASV machive. Within 2 months I went into AFIB. She then put me on a BIPAP machine and that kept choking me. She put me back on a ASV machine. We argued about it but I gave in. This time it took only 6 weeks before I was back into AFIB. She wanted me to stay on the ASV. This time I refused. I am currently back on the CPAP and am doing well. I just want to give a warning about the ASV machines, that it may not be the best for everyone. I have switched doctors since then.

Howard Brandt wrote:Beware of using ASV machines. I used a CPAP for 10+ years. I have obstructive and complex sleep apnea. My doctor changed me to an ASV machive. Within 2 months I went into AFIB. She then put me on a BIPAP machine and that kept choking me. She put me back on a ASV machine. We argued about it but I gave in. This time it took only 6 weeks before I was back into AFIB. She wanted me to stay on the ASV. This time I refused. I am currently back on the CPAP and am doing well. I just want to give a warning about the ASV machines, that it may not be the best for everyone. I have switched doctors since then.

Of course it's not best for EVERYONE. It's fits a specific diagnosis.

Perhaps your doctor didn't read the ResMed study on ASV and congestive heart failure.
It sounds as if you have an underlying heart issue that is aggravated by the functioning of the ASV machine.
What does your cardiologist say about the cause of the AFIB episodes?

If you have an underlying heart problem then of course it is not a good idea. There are risks with any treatment. Telling people to beware and trying to scare them is not a great help.

I was born with Central apnea and was diagnosed with OSA as well. Cpap worked occasionally, but my AHI is between 11 to 15 too often to be considered beneficial. I had a sleep study using ASV and felt better the next morning than I have in years. The DME sent me a bipap instead of the ASV machine the doctor ordered. I feel so awful on the bipap and am trying to get the ASV machine the doctor prescribed.

Dying from apnea is no less dangerous, so one must weigh the options. Not all people should use ASV.

I just started using my new ASV machine 1 week ago. I have been on cpap/bipap since 1986.

My previous equipment was not working well and I tried to just have my machine replaced (without a sleep study or any other tests) after having my DME inspect it and review the data on it.

I visited my sleep doc. He had me do a sleep study and an echo-cardiogram in December. I wasn't quite sure why he wanted to do an echo-cardiogram. He told me that he didn't think anything was wrong but just wanted to "check things over."

After both of these tests, he told me I had central apneas with OSA and that he would like to prescribe an ASV machine which provided some "backup"

While my machine was on order, I did some research on ASV and found out more of the risks related to heart failure. I have been getting great results with my ASV machine (AHI 3 or lower).

I am grateful my doctor took the extra precautions before prescribing my equipment. I can understand why the original poster shared his concerns. As everyone else has shared also, ASV is not for everyone. My my perspective, it is worth the extra time and money to have extra tests done to ensure ASV is right for you.

Howard Brandt wrote:Beware of using ASV machines. I used a CPAP for 10+ years. I have obstructive and complex sleep apnea. My doctor changed me to an ASV machive. Within 2 months I went into AFIB. She then put me on a BIPAP machine and that kept choking me. She put me back on a ASV machine. We argued about it but I gave in. This time it took only 6 weeks before I was back into AFIB. She wanted me to stay on the ASV. This time I refused. I am currently back on the CPAP and am doing well. I just want to give a warning about the ASV machines, that it may not be the best for everyone. I have switched doctors since then.

Dumb question? I just got my new AirSense™ 10 AutoSet 2 days ago. To my horror it shows I have 99% Centrals and I now have that gut wrenching feeling I just flushed $900.00 + $400.00 in accesories down the toilet? MY understanding from everyone on the "Boards" is, since I have Centrals, NO CPAP-APAP or BiPap with do ANYTHING to help me. Is this incorrect? Can I unload my gun?

Guest wrote:Is this incorrect? Can I unload my gun?

Unload your gun.
You have some viable options.
ASV is one option.
Even a bilevel machine with a back up rate is another option if it turns out ASV isn't your best option.
All your accessories would work with these.

http://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/pr ... 10-st.html

http://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/pr ... 0-asv.html

Old post. Howard whatever hasn't been back. No sense in talking to him.

Afib and Heart failure are different conditions. Untreated afib can lead to heart failure.

Guest wrote:Dumb question? I just got my new AirSense™ 10 AutoSet 2 days ago. To my horror it shows I have 99% Centrals and I now have that gut wrenching feeling I just flushed $900.00 + $400.00 in accesories down the toilet? MY understanding from everyone on the "Boards" is, since I have Centrals, NO CPAP-APAP or BiPap with do ANYTHING to help me. Is this incorrect? Can I unload my gun?

What is your total AHI when using the machine? having a few central apneas is very common. Some people will start to see central apneas when first starting treatment, and they often decrease with continued use. This may be the case with you. You have not provided enough information to say if you have a problem or not.

Guest was not diagnosed with complex apnea, sounds more like they are self treating. We would need to know the specifics of the therapy and results before anyone can say any kind of diagnosis. Once again, when you have a hammer( or ASV) everything looks like a nail (or complex/central apnea). Once again the end of the alphabet trails in reading comprehension and knowledge.

I saw no mention of complex sleep apnea anywhere in the post by the person(guest) who revived this old thread.
The person who originally started this thread...long gone and there's no need to talk about his issues or non issues

All I saw was

To my horror it shows I have 99% Centrals

mentioned by a guest who revived this old thread just today.

My question to the most recent guest who has the problem... is what someone else asked him...how many centrals are we talking about?
99% of 5 over an 8 hour period
or 99% of 50 over an 8 hour period.
Big difference depending on what the total number was.
Really have to know the total number and the hours of sleep to figure out just how alarming it might be.

Once again Pugsy is right on point. Other persons not so much. I will point out there was no mention of how poster guest has obtained their APAP, and it is a APAP, not an ASV. methinks XX is confusion the OP with the later poster guest, and tried to reply to guest thinking that they were the OP.


Once again - XX is wrong, and unable to read for detail.

xxyzx wrote:

Okie bipap wrote:

Guest wrote:Dumb question? I just got my new AirSense™ 10 AutoSet 2 days ago. To my horror it shows I have 99% Centrals and I now have that gut wrenching feeling I just flushed $900.00 + $400.00 in accesories down the toilet? MY understanding from everyone on the "Boards" is, since I have Centrals, NO CPAP-APAP or BiPap with do ANYTHING to help me. Is this incorrect? Can I unload my gun?

What is your total AHI when using the machine? having a few central apneas is very common. Some people will start to see central apneas when first starting treatment, and they often decrease with continued use. This may be the case with you. You have not provided enough information to say if you have a problem or not.

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he was diagnosed with complex apnea

NOT

AGAIN...You are not reading the posts before you answer. Guest was not diagnosed with complex apnea....it was the original poster in Jan 2017.

LSAT... the problems you referenced using the ASV machine could be tied to the exposure of BPAs, a component of the plastics used in the water tanks, hoses and even masks. Water, heat and even direct sun release BPA from the plastics into the air you'd breath. See, this...

Bisphenol A, or BPA - Medical News Today
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
May 25, 2017 - Heart disease. Research has linked even low-dose BPA exposure to cardiovascular problems, including coronary artery heart disease, angina, heart attack, hypertension, and peripheral artery disease. Findings suggest that this type of exposure could trigger arrhythmias, atherosclerosis, and blood pressure changes

I've not found a brand of ASV units that is BPA free

PVCsNot4Me wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:31 pm

LSAT... the problems you referenced using the ASV machine could be tied to the exposure of BPAs, a component of the plastics used in the water tanks, hoses and even masks. Water, heat and even direct sun release BPA from the plastics into the air you'd breath. See, this...

Bisphenol A, or BPA - Medical News Today
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
May 25, 2017 - Heart disease. Research has linked even low-dose BPA exposure to cardiovascular problems, including coronary artery heart disease, angina, heart attack, hypertension, and peripheral artery disease. Findings suggest that this type of exposure could trigger arrhythmias, atherosclerosis, and blood pressure changes

I've not found a brand of ASV units that is BPA free

I did not reference anything...