Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

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Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by y08hci0299 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:11 am

My jaw falls open when I go to bed and air leaks out. Is it better to use a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed or get a full face mask? I am afraid that with the full face mask I will have dry mouth, and that I will swallow air and that I will get uncomfortable chipmunk cheeks when the air gets blown into my open mouth.

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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by AstralSurfer11 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:27 am

I would try and chinstrap first and if that doesn't work then you'd have to go to a full face mask.

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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by LSAT » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:24 am

y08hci0299 wrote:My jaw falls open when I go to bed and air leaks out. Is it better to use a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed or get a full face mask? I am afraid that with the full face mask I will have dry mouth, and that I will swallow air and that I will get uncomfortable chipmunk cheeks when the air gets blown into my open mouth.
Try them both...what works for one person may not work fo others.

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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by OkyDoky » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:51 am

y08hci0299 wrote:My jaw falls open when I go to bed and air leaks out. Is it better to use a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed or get a full face mask? I am afraid that with the full face mask I will have dry mouth, and that I will swallow air and that I will get uncomfortable chipmunk cheeks when the air gets blown into my open mouth.

Some users find that a cervical collar works well to keep their jaw from dropping. Both the collar and strap won't keep air from leaking from your lips but may be enough of a reminder that you learn to keep your mouth closed. During the day practice breathing through your nose with the tip of your tongue just behind your top front teeth. With your tongue positioned this way It blocks the air from the mouth and keeps it moving in the right direction.

Dry mouth can be a problem when you mouth breath and ARE NOT using a Full Face mask. The bigger problem is that you lose therapy when mouth breathing. Sometimes even with a FF mask dry mouth can be a problem and then we move to prevention mode. Before bed I use Orajel For Dry Mouth, and keep Biotene Spray at my bedside, and some people use Xylimelts. Chipmunk cheeks happen when your mouth is closed and air goes into the mouth so a FF Mask would relieve that worry. Now for swallowed air that's more of a airway positioning and pressure problem. Cross that bridge IF you ever come to it. Fix the problems you have and leave the worries until they do happen.
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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:59 am

y08hci0299 wrote:My jaw falls open when I go to bed and air leaks out. Is it better to use a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed or get a full face mask? I am afraid that with the full face mask I will have dry mouth, and that I will swallow air and that I will get uncomfortable chipmunk cheeks when the air gets blown into my open mouth.
Jay Aitchsee wrote:Mouth leaks (pressurized air leaking from the nasal passages out through the mouth) are difficult to control because they are allowed by a failure of the of the back of the tongue to seal at the throat (velopharyngeal sphincter). An example of a proper seal can be experienced by noting the placement of the tongue when starting to make a "K" sound. Holding the tip of the tongue at the roof of the mouth behind the front teeth places the tongue in a similar position and aids in making a seal. People practice, and some learn, to keep the tip of tongue in this position while sleeping to help reduce leaks. "Learning" this can take some time.

People are often disturbed by the noise and feeling of these leaks and therapy effectiveness may be reduced by a loss of airway pressure with them. In Leak Graphics, mouth leaks are typically represented by longish, flat, plateau shaped traces.

Chin straps are often ineffective because they do not stop the air flow out of the mouth as can be seen by the ability to exhale through clenched teeth. But chin straps may help prevent mouth breathing (inhalation through an open mouth) which I see as a slightly different problem.

To prevent these leaks, air has to be stopped from flowing through the throat and out of the mouth. It can be done in one of three ways: Keep the tongue in the proper position, keep the lips sealed by tape or other means, or wear a full face mask. A full face mask eliminates the differential in pressure between mouth and nose which promotes the leaks. (Note: A FFM may eliminate mouth leaks, but might not prevent mouth breathing)

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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by jagzoo » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:35 pm

A cervical collar keeps me from having mouth leaks. It's an easy try. Good luck.

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Re: Nasal pillow/nasal mask with chin strap vs full face mask.

Post by zonker » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:59 pm

y08hci0299 wrote:My jaw falls open when I go to bed and air leaks out. Is it better to use a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed or get a full face mask? I am afraid that with the full face mask I will have dry mouth, and that I will swallow air and that I will get uncomfortable chipmunk cheeks when the air gets blown into my open mouth.
here's a suggestion by jay, who just replied above. i've used this method with great results-

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this works best for me if i change out the bands about every 3-4 days. they have a tendency to become stretched out of shape. but popping them in with a load of laundry gets them back into their original shape.

now, to be completely honest, i'm a belt and suspenders type. i use the "scunci" method PLUS a chinstrap PLUS a foam collar. i'm sure someone here will tell me i don't need all of that (hello, chicago granny! ), but it helps get through the night without dry mouth.

oh! i also use xllimelts. i like them over oragel because having a sip of water doesn't wash it away.
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