Mouth Taping--Consequences?

beneyw · Post by **beneyw** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:12 pm

My consequences with taping? BETTER results!!

I have tried a lot of masks and until someone comes up with a mask that does not leak and can work for me I am sticking with my Mirage and tape. I honestly believe those professionals who suggest chinstraps should try them themselves to see if they work...For me and so many others, they do not.

kavanaugh1950 · Post by **kavanaugh1950** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:09 pm

as a nurse, I have seen people aspirate but they were usually infirm, confused and immobile and unable to turn themselves. I have taken care of many people with cpaps and have never seen one aspirate. I wear a full face mask and I think it would be harder to take that off if I vomited than a piece of tape. I know the respiratory therapists at my hospital won't put a cpap on a patient if they have eaten or drank within one hour for safety purposes..????? pat

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:35 pm

Thank you so much to all posters for sharing your experiences. Forum Folk are the best.

Pat (kavanaugh 1950), the not eating or drinking within an hour reminds me of the "only swim one hour after eating" advice that was given to us as children. My father, who had been a Water Safety Instructor in the Navy, insisted that we children follow this rule. It could be tough to wait so long to swim at the beach as a youngster, or on rare stays at a motel with a pool.

Later, that was rescinded by the Red Cross. Apparently, the severe stomach cramps that were supposed to cause drowning had never actually been recorded as causing a drowning. That was the advice that I was given when I earned my Lifesaving and WSI at college.

It is something that drives me absolutely NUTS when we are given false information. It drives me even MORE NUTS when medical professionals, who are supposed to be scientists, pass on information that is not based on high-quality research.

If, in fact, there is a problem with mouth taping--we need to know. This information does not seem to be supported in anything anyone on the forum has shared about talking to their sleep docs, their RT's, or their DME providers (who sell chin straps...).

Maybe the Mythbusters would test this? (Except, I really do not see them as researchers using the scientific method.)

Thanks for helping to either prove or disprove this advice. We will get to the "bottom" of this!

OwlCreekObserver · Post by **OwlCreekObserver** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:46 pm

birdshell wrote:

Maybe the Mythbusters would test this? (Except, I really do not see them as researchers using the scientific method.)

Well yeah, but at least we'd get to see some really cool explosions!

OCO

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:34 pm

OwlCreekObserver wrote:
birdshell wrote:

Maybe the Mythbusters would test this? (Except, I really do not see them as researchers using the scientific method.)

Well yeah, but at least we'd get to see some really cool explosions!

OCO

LOL!

But not if making cell phone calls while pumping gas!!

Gotta love those guys, though. They certainly have not lost their youth, have they? I'm not so sure that Buster is up for such a mundane assignment, though.

Vader · Post by **Vader** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:16 pm

birdshell wrote:

If, in fact, there is a problem with mouth taping--we need to know. This information does not seem to be supported in anything anyone on the forum has shared about talking to their sleep docs, their RT's, or their DME providers (who sell chin straps...).

The more I've thought about this, the more I seem to be convinced that there's probably an *overstated* danger here.
Now bear in mind, that's EASY for me to say, BECAUSE--I don't mouth tape!

Again, I really wish there was some reaL evidence here, but until there is in fact, real evidence, I'm going to assume that any danger is about as likely as the probability for hair to grow on your palms.

But if we're going to bring chin straps into this.... I'm quite positive those dang things DO NOT WORK!

desertPAP · Post by **desertPAP** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:00 pm

I started taping two weeks ago after reading this web site. The results were immediate and undeniable ( no, i didn't die in my sleep). After struggling with sub standard results for years, i'm now feeling incredibly better.

So.... thumbs up for duct tape. Now if I can only figure out how to incorporate coat hanger wire into the equation.

BTW- the secret of the docs and PT's not wanting to mention the "T" word is....

shhhhhhhh <lawyers>

Ooops, there I said it.

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:36 pm

cwsanfor wrote:I really love this group. Drooling, taping, jaw relocation, vomiting into our masks, remedies for sores on our noses, strap mark accessories, and we're all like "Well, that's like you do."

LOL!!! Never a dull moment.

Add to the list of normal dinner table conversation topics:

pantyhose around the head
position of tongue in mouth
bloating and gas
water dripping on faces
chapsticking the nostril openings
KY jelly

No wonder friends and relatives refuse to go get a sleep study!

cwsanfor · Post by **cwsanfor** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:49 pm

RG, you scared me there. I was afraid you were going to use the V Word. I can stand all the rest, but if that thread is brought back to life I will stick the vacuum cleaner exhaust to my face with rubber cement and kill myself by high pressure, if that can be done.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:59 pm

The V Word?
Vacuum cleaner?

Ok Ok , I know, don't throw it at me.

O.

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:49 pm

desertPAP wrote:(snip)

So.... thumbs up for duct tape. Now if I can only figure out how to incorporate coat hanger wire into the equation.

BTW- the secret of the docs and PT's not wanting to mention the "T" word is....

shhhhhhhh <lawyers>

Ooops, there I said it.

DUCT TAPE? Are you the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz? You must be able to omit shaving from your morning routine, at least around the mouth. Even the milk of magnesia coating would not help that.

But seriously:

This is what bothers me from the perspective of being responsible. Lawsuits ARE far too prevalent, IMHO. But what about the effects of the chin strap not working and having ineffective treatment?

Ty Pennington was recently interviewed about his ADHD. Yep, he is on medication for that. Watching him on Extreme Home Makeover would tend to give one serious doubts about that.

He pointed out what one of my colleagues always said: The problem with Ty not being treated until he was a teenager was that he also did not learn well for a long time. And, the problem with not using an EFFECTIVE method of preventing mouth leaks is the xPAP treatment is compromised.

Relying on rumour is not an option in a medical field that is supposed to base advice on scientific research that is valid and reliable, and very, very significant. (Medical research is done to the >=0.01 level.) So, where is the research? THAT is my question.

IORHHI · Post by **IORHHI** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:49 pm

I'm a newby here, reading to learn how to handle the equipment that will show up today FedEx, but I do have a somewhat different experience with gastric feedback while asleep.
I have quit drinking hard liquor altogether because just one shot and going to bed several hours later can still cause a traumatic nighttime event. It isn't throwing up with any reflex coughing or anything that I normally associate with vomiting. I simply wake up unable to breathe, unable to inhale. I sit up right away, sometimes thump my chest, but usually as I sit up, I get a little air, and then I sound like a terminal pneumonia case for maybe thirty seconds, the air howling past the blockage as I try to inhale. Then, as my airway clears, I start to cough, and that clears something out of my lungs that is vomit.
Scary as all heck.
I did describe this to doctors a couple times and they said it was part of GERD, but I haven't ever heard of anyone else who had this experience.
I don't know if it would be affected by taping, since as soon as I am awake I am really alert (read scared sh*tless).
But it might be that there are other varieties of vomiting that could be affected by taping. Given all that, I probably will try taping, since there will be a chinstrap in the box today...
I just won't try any hard liquor any more, no way Jose.

Barbara

GoodGuy · Post by **GoodGuy** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:29 pm

I'm having trouble "keeping my mouth shut" also. My question is for those using tape, what kind and size of tape do you use and what if any special procedures do you follow.

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:11 pm

GoodGuy wrote:I'm having trouble "keeping my mouth shut" also. My question is for those using tape, what kind and size of tape do you use and what if any special procedures do you follow.

This is the posting by rooster, describing his take on mouth taping. This is the posting that inspired me to give up the chin strap and take out the tape.

Link to 'Just One Man's Very Successful Mouth Taping Procedure'

One thing that I add: milk of magnesia. When smeared on the skin and allowed to dry, it helps to protect it while still keeping the tackiness. Thus, it does not hurt to take the tape off in the morning. Others wash their faces while soaking the tape off.

Good luck experimenting. Welcome to our 'information station' for xPAP support.

desertPAP · Post by **desertPAP** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:24 pm

I been using athletic tape for about two weeks now without having to apply any lube what-so-ever. I don't even soak it to get it off in the morning. The stuff that is available at Walgreens is about 1.5" wide.

Previously I had "lied" when I said I was using duct tape. I would not recommend duct tape, it's too good. I would stay away from epoxy, gorilla glue, liquid nails, and super glue as well. Clothes pins might work if your lips are long enough, but I have not tried that technique to date.

Even medical tape might be too sticky. But the athletic tape seems to work fine for me.

Mouth Taping--Consequences?

duct tape and coat hangers

Re: duct tape and coat hangers

vomitus aspirus

Mouth Taping

Re: Mouth Taping

what kind of tape?

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