P10 faulty leak system?

Is there something wrong with my P10 mask or is this a known issue.

No matter what I do, it's like there is no way to get a solid seal. I even ran a test by setting the pap machine to a high pressure and purposely covering up the pillow holes with my fingers and the machine was still reading a 25 leak score. It's been like this since the mask was brand new and I just don't get it. Where is it leaking from if I'm covering both holes with my fingers? I know resmed doesn't measure intentional leaks as part of the score so I'm just confused. Do I have a faulty p10?

The mask setting is set to pillows on my aircurve device as well.

Finally understood what you are talking about.
palerider or pugsy will know what the problem is, if it is knowable.
All I got.

JPB

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Is there something wrong with my P10 mask or is this a known issue.

No matter what I do, it's like there is no way to get a solid seal. I even ran a test by setting the pap machine to a high pressure and purposely covering up the pillow holes with my fingers and the machine was still reading a 25 leak score. It's been like this since the mask was brand new and I just don't get it. Where is it leaking from if I'm covering both holes with my fingers? I know resmed doesn't measure intentional leaks as part of the score so I'm just confused. Do I have a faulty p10?

The mask setting is set to pillows on my aircurve device as well.

Since you didn't fill out the equipment profile so that we could know what kind of machine you have (and, yes, it matters to the answer you're looking for), all I can say is:

"I dunno".

jimbud wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:16 pm

Vent mesh on opposite side from the nare nipples must vent.
Otherwise you would die from CO2.
The machine pressure compensates for the venting.
It does not count in the leak rate.
Did you set your machine for mask type?

You are probably leaking from around the mask or mouth breathing.

Are they large leaks or just leaks.

All I got.

JPB

Thanks for the reply. It isn't mouth leaking which is why I performed the text without the mask on my face and covered the holes with my fingers manually. The mask is so assembled correctly. I bought the mask brand new and had it for some time but only used it 1 time and it was performing this way from day one. I just never made a post about it because I have multiple mask that I've been using. I'm jst annoyed because it's still brand new.

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Is there something wrong with my P10 mask or is this a known issue.

No matter what I do, it's like there is no way to get a solid seal. I even ran a test by setting the pap machine to a high pressure and purposely covering up the pillow holes with my fingers and the machine was still reading a 25 leak score. It's been like this since the mask was brand new and I just don't get it. Where is it leaking from if I'm covering both holes with my fingers? I know resmed doesn't measure intentional leaks as part of the score so I'm just confused. Do I have a faulty p10?

The mask setting is set to pillows on my aircurve device as well.

Since you didn't fill out the equipment profile so that we could know what kind of machine you have (and, yes, it matters to the answer you're looking for), all I can say is:

"I dunno".

Right now I'm on the resmed vauto and I set the mask type to pillow setting. I remember trying to set my profile a while ago but I kept receiving an error page. I will go and update it now though. Thanks

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Is there something wrong with my P10 mask or is this a known issue.

No matter what I do, it's like there is no way to get a solid seal. I even ran a test by setting the pap machine to a high pressure and purposely covering up the pillow holes with my fingers and the machine was still reading a 25 leak score. It's been like this since the mask was brand new and I just don't get it. Where is it leaking from if I'm covering both holes with my fingers? I know resmed doesn't measure intentional leaks as part of the score so I'm just confused. Do I have a faulty p10?

The mask setting is set to pillows on my aircurve device as well.

Since you didn't fill out the equipment profile so that we could know what kind of machine you have (and, yes, it matters to the answer you're looking for), all I can say is:

"I dunno".

Right now I'm on the resmed vauto and I set the mask type to pillow setting. I remember trying to set my profile a while ago but I kept receiving an error page. I will go and update it now though. Thanks

Ok, on a Resmed machine, like the AirCurve 10 VAuto, the P10 (which I've used for several years) is silent, and will, with a good nose seal, achieve a zero leak.

For the machine to get a good leak reading, you have to be breathing, you can watch the leak reading as you breathe and see it varying around, before it settles down.

If you're consistently showing leaks in Oscar... check for other problems, water tank not seated, holes in the hose, etc.

Only thing I can think of is a consistent leak in the system somewhere.
When you look at the leak graph is there ever any time where the leak line is at 0?
Give me a few minutes to go download from my machine. I used the P10 last few nights instead of the Bleep due to a small pimple on the edge of my nostril and the Bleep adhesive kept pulling the scab off so it wouldn't heal. So just using the P10 since it doesn't stick to anything.

Okay...I picked Sunday night because it also happens to show a wide range of pressures which I don't always see every night.
So the P10 and for once minimal movement....that leak line is next to nothing and pressures didn't affect it either.
If you never see the leak flat on 0.0 or very close to 0.0....you've got a leak somewhere in the system.
Make sure water chamber is totally completely inserted and if it is then start looking for a hole in the long hose or short hose or the pillow or something not attached completely.

Thanks palerider and pugsy. I didn't sleep with the mask yet so I don't have any charts. I was going to try to sleep with it today and wanted to get a good fit with it before bedtime so I tested it out. I pushed start on the machine and just watched as the leak scores kept increasing for no reason even though I didn't not feel any leaks around my nose. I then removed the mask and tried to purposely obstruct the two pillow holes and watch the leak score as it was still increasing to the twenties. I made sure that the mask is assembled correctly. I also just test my airfit f20 and the leak was much lower. I think there is an issue with the mesh on my p10 even though it's still new. I got it a while ago but just never really worse it like that but tried it on one time prior to today and it did the same thing when I tested it out (although I never slept a full night with it). I may have just got a faulty p10 unfortunately and too bad I didn't go return it to the DME when I tried it out the first time.

Did you run a mask fit test? or were you just looking at the leak numbers?

You should be able to just barely feel air from the vents if you have your hand within an inch or two.

Yes I ran mask fit and it was a red smiley face as well.

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Yes I ran mask fit and it was a red smiley face as well.

What happens when you disconnect the hose and block the outlet on the back? smiley or frowny?

Same with the hose on, but no mask, just blocking the hose.

both should give mr smiley face, not mr frowny face.

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:59 pm

Audio_mc wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Yes I ran mask fit and it was a red smiley face as well.

What happens when you disconnect the hose and block the outlet on the back? smiley or frowny?

Same with the hose on, but no mask, just blocking the hose.

both should give mr smiley face, not mr frowny face.

It is a smiley face. I think it's just the mask itself because I switched to my p30i which seal perfectly. I just wanted to use the p10 because of the how light the mask is but I guess I'm out of luck. Thanks for the help!

There is simply no way the P10 leaks that much....unless it is faulty.

You said the P30i works just fine....Which tells me the machine and tubing to the mask works like it should.

So, there must be a problem with the P10 hose or pillows. I cannot tell you what that is. But I can tell you that you should be able to feel a leak with your hand if indeed it is showing the "red" smiley face! The P10 is so well diffused that you have to wet your hand to even feel the exhaust vent working! Find where the air is coming from and you will know what is wrong.

When I used the P10 it "had" a constant leak, according to my graphs anyway.

I didn't feel a thing, there was no air coming out from around the pillows.
Every night showed that same line where the leak bottomed out at about 3 - 6.

During that period, there were multiple P10 masks used and multiple pillows used. There wasn't a leak in the systems because you can see it stopped mid-July, that was when I switched to the P30i.

These graphs are from an AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her. I haven't worn the P10, since switching to the AirCurve 10.