Soclean injection hose for Airsense 10

strattonrd · Post by **strattonrd** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 pm

The Soclean adapter for the Airsense 10 has a three inch long injection tube that puts it below the reservoir water surface. If one forgets to put the supply tube back on the water reservoir after filling it, then water will be forced out of the injection tube and all over the table.

My question is, "Must the injection tube be so long, that is, must it stick into the water?" I would like to shorten it so that it will not cause a flood if I forget to put the supply hose on. So, would it be reasonable to shorten the injection hose?

Airsense 10 and Soclean 2 and Resmed F30

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:07 pm

I think you've come to the wrong place for advice on SC... if you do a forum search on it, you'll see that just about everyone here believes it's a scam, dangerous (ozone is not good for lungs) and completely unnecessary as a cleaning, sanitizing, disinfecting machine in any case. There's nothing to clean in the machine (you do use filters, don't you?) that isn't already rampant in your home, and that is no more present or problematic in any part of the machine or mask. Why not wait til the court cases are finished and you'll see what transpires. Poor Shatner got suckered in, but you don't have to be. Just clean your mask (and wipe the outside of the machine) per manufacturer's instructions and common sense.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:43 pm

strattonrd wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 pm
The Soclean adapter for the Airsense 10 has a three inch long injection tube that puts it below the reservoir water surface. If one forgets to put the supply tube back on the water reservoir after filling it, then water will be forced out of the injection tube and all over the table.

My question is, "Must the injection tube be so long, that is, must it stick into the water?" I would like to shorten it so that it will not cause a flood if I forget to put the supply hose on. So, would it be reasonable to shorten the injection hose?

Airsense 10 and Soclean 2 and Resmed F30

The only GOOD advice about the soclean is to GET YOUR MONEY BACK, IT'S A SCAM.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:10 pm

strattonrd wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 pm

Airsense 10 and Soclean 2 and Resmed F30

welcome to the zoo!

i'm so sorry that you fell for the advertising and bought the soclean machine. it does absolutely nothing that just plain soap and water won't do.

is there any chance you can return it and get your money back?

good luck!

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:13 pm

Tsk. Another innocent lamb.
When do I get to push Bill Shatner off the Sears tower--or whatever they call it now?

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:40 pm

Wrong place to ask advice for the SoClean device.
Not many people here use it.
It's a question to ask SoClean customer support.

And there's probably a good reason the ResMed says if you use it you void your machine warranty (if it is still under warranty).
https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf

LSAT · Post by **LSAT** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:12 am

If you listen carefully to Captain Kirk's commercial, he never mentions "clean" or "sanitize"...he says it makes his equipment "smell fresh"....Beam me up Scotty!

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:31 am

No idea why the hose is expected to be beneath the water level.

But if it's above the water level, then you will have a huge air leak.

Your choice:

Water leak
Air Leak
Take the thing off

I'd go with option 3

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:17 pm

strattonrd wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 pm
Soclean

SoClean

Risks:
The residual smell of ozone may be unpleasant and risky. Ozone exposure is potentially dangerous among those with respiratory conditions. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes it as a “toxic gas with no known useful medical application.” The Environmental Protection Agency says that relatively low amounts of ozone can cause shortness of breath and worsen chronic respiratory disease.

In fact, ironically, exposure to it may compromise the body’s ability to fight respiratory infections.

...

Ultimately, the available CPAP cleaners and sanitizers seem unlikely to provide additional cleaning capacity beyond standard methods of cleaning with soap and water. There is no evidence that these devices reduce the risk of infection.

These companies also have no financial interest in investigating this possibility. The devices sell well without any such study. This may reveal much about the motivation behind the recent push in direct-to-consumer marketing of the product, beyond the science supporting its use.

A Word From Verywell
Further research may be helpful to determine if these devices have any role in routine CPAP therapy. The risk of infection is so small, and the evidence for benefit so weak, that these devices are not currently recommended. Save your money and buy a lifetime supply of liquid dish soap instead!

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

From a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals:

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

Edit: SoClean is being sued for False Advertising and other violations of law - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14 ... clean-inc/

Edit: ResMed changed their warranty terms to include a statement that use of an ozone-cleaning machine may void their CPAP machine warranty.

January 8, 2020
To Our Valued Patient,
ResMed announced an update to its limited warranty that may affect whether you choose to use an ozone
device with your ResMed machine and mask. Please review the detail of this update below.*

ResMed user guides advise patients to periodically clean ResMed machines, components and masks with
mild detergent and warm water only. Some patients choose to use other means to clean and/or disinfect
their machines. With the increased use of ozone devices, ResMed has observed that prolonged and
repeated use of an ozone device may eventually cause internal damage to a ResMed machine, leading to
an increase in motor noise.
Warranty update: Effective for sales of ResMed machines on or after February 1, 2020, ResMed’s limited
warranty will exclude damage to ResMed machines caused by use of ozone devices. The limited warranty
on ResMed masks, with the exception of ResMed AirTouch™ products, will not be affected.
ResMed is not taking a position on whether you should use an ozone device. That decision is up to you, as
the patient, to balance the convenience of using an ozone device versus the likelihood of potential damage
to your ResMed machine. ResMed is reinforcing the cleaning instructions in its machine user guide:
periodic cleaning with mild detergent and warm water is all that is required with a ResMed machine,
component or mask. This letter requires no action on your part.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the manufacturer of the ozone device you are
currently using or, for medical advice, your physician.
Sincerely,
Your home care provider

https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf

khauser · Post by **khauser** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:06 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Edit: SoClean is being sued for False Advertising and other violations of law - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14 ... clean-inc/

Fascinating that the suit is brought by 3B medical ... the makers of the Lumin. I believe the members here are pretty down on that device as well.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:30 pm

khauser wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:06 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Edit: SoClean is being sued for False Advertising and other violations of law - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14 ... clean-inc/
Fascinating that the suit is brought by 3B medical ... the makers of the Lumin. I believe the members here are pretty down on that device as well.

Actually the Lumin uses UV light to disinfect and it's (UV light sanitizing) got a lot of proven science behind it. Plus it's mainly for hose and mask disinfection and you can't really damage the machine with the UV light because it doesn't have access to the machine.
UV light won't hang around in the bedroom and perhaps damage the lungs like ozone can do either. Once it's off...it's gone.
It's still not necessary that we do this level of disinfecting IMHO but if I were going to think I needed that level (like maybe I was immune system compromised for some reason) of sanitizing my equipment...something like the Lumin with UV as the agent is what I would choose.

So I am not as down on the Lumin as I am on the SoClean.

I don't see the Lumin hurting someone unless they are stupid enough to look directly into the light but ozone cleaners have the potential to damage machines, equipment and the lungs since it is a poisonous gas.

khauser · Post by **khauser** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:52 pm

I would never get an ozone powered system even if it magically meant no more cleaning. I have pretty birds and the ozone is a strong no. Also, I like my lungs.

I actually did get the lumin, mostly for the humidifier, because I don't want to clean that every day (reasons). I got it because it uses uvc. I am aware it isn't necessary but it makes me feel more comfortable.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:58 pm

please to note our poster has been back in (10:45 am friday) but doesn't seem interested in replying.

don't want to go be THAT guy, but i wonder about motive.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm

zonker wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:58 pm
don't want to go be THAT guy, but i wonder about motive.

I wondered about motive when I first read it and had to decide whether to approve the new account post.
Then I figured since my crystal ball was still broken and I couldn't for sure know if what I was thinking was true or not I elected to take the question at face value and figured it would be another educational experience for everyone.

I fully expect that there are a lot of other new to cpap users who are here lurking and wondering if they need to go to extraordinary measures to disinfect their equipment (that's assuming the products actually disinfect). Note I said disinfect and not clean....to me none of them clean anything when I have to manually use soap and water to remove something I don't want on my equipment.
Disinfection.....killing germs or whatever.
Cleaning....actual removal of snot, slobber, facial oils, dirt, grime, slimy insides of a water chamber, etc.
Disinfection just nukes the snot or slobber, etc so no germs are living in it.

So I look at it as another chance to educate someone (even if the OP here isn't the one educated) about these ozone cleaners.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:52 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm

So I look at it as another chance to educate someone (even if the OP here isn't the one educated) about these ozone cleaners.

true. i have this tendency to think i'm merely typing to/at/with another person. and that's clearly not true. people lurk here all the time.

i have to remember when i first came here. just reading everyone's advice saved me a lot of time from making my own mistakes. even concerning soclean. i've never owned one thanks to you and granny and palerider and on and on. i could see, even before we get to the current state with lawsuits and such, that it wasn't a smart idea.

i'll try to keep that in mind for the future.

thanks for pointing it out.

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