paptizer UVC LED smart sanitized by Liviliti

I am brand new here. I would like to know if the Paptizer smart sanitized by Liviliti worth purchasing? I would like the pros and cons. Thank you. Robert McKay

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

Waste of money is my personal opinion.

Might even void any warranty a machine might have as well.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:33 pm

I am brand new here. I would like to know if the Paptizer smart sanitized by Liviliti worth purchasing? I would like the pros and cons. Thank you. Robert McKay

This is close to a scam.

I wipe down my mask every morning with an alcohol prep pad - https://www.walmart.com/browse/health/a ... 07_9743440

The hose gets used for years without cleaning except to wipe the fingerprints off the ends. The machine gets dusted when the house is dusted.

That's it. Other than an occasional cold and a mild case of flu 12 years ago, I haven't had any problems.

What are you concerned about?

My concerns are to make sure that I kill all the germs. The paptizer says that it kills 99.9 % of germs. It does it without water. It works by UVC LED lights to kill the germs.You still need to wash the mask and hose before you use the paptizer. So almost 100% effective.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:33 pm

I am brand new here. I would like to know if the Paptizer smart sanitized by Liviliti worth purchasing? I would like the pros and cons. Thank you. Robert McKay

I'm going to say that it's a scam.

Besides being *totally* unnecessary, and not recommended by any manufacturer, OR the FDA, true UVC LEDs are *expensive*, the cheapest I can find are $11.75 each, (in quantities of 1000), that means for the claimed 40 of them this piece of garbage says it has, it would have $470 worth of LEDs in it they're ripping you off to the tune of what, $279?

https://www.powerelectronictips.com/whe ... er-beware/

And even the legit UVC LED chips are just *barely* in the UVC range.

Save your money, and do what the manufacturer recommends, a little soap and water.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

My concerns are to make sure that I kill all the germs.

Why? they're overwhelmingly YOUR germs.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

The paptizer says that it kills 99.9 % of germs.

And quack medical products from companies trying to screw you out of your money by preying on your germophobe fears would NEVER lie in their marketing bullshit, now would they?

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

It does it without water.

You STILL have to wash the crud out of the mask, otherwise the UVC can't get to everything.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

It works by UVC LED lights to kill the germs.

LEDs make a poor UVC source, even the legit ones.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

You still need to wash the mask and hose before you use the paptizer. So almost 100% effective.

Hey, it's your money, if you want to waste it, don't let us stop you.

But I hope nobody with any sense buys one of those pieces of junk.

Do you 'sanitize' your toothbrush after each use or just simply rinse it under cold or hot water? As long as you're the only user of the CPAP mask with only 'your' germs getting on the mask, a simple wipe down of the mask with an alcohol wipe as mentioned is all that's needed daily. About every two weeks I give my mask a 'bath' in warm water with a few drops of Dawn dish detergent, rinse and then hang to dry.

For over a year I have:

Changed the machine filter once a month.

Washed the masks ( I rotate 3 masks) in water and Dawn once a month. (only to shrink the headbands and clean the mesh vents)

I wipe the mask I am currently using every day with baby wipe.

I use distilled water in humidifier only because I am too lazy to descale tap water deposits.

That's it. No problems.

I am not OCD (obviously) and my immune system is healthy.

JPB

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

My concerns are to make sure that I kill all the germs. The paptizer says that it kills 99.9 % of germs. It does it without water. It works by UVC LED lights to kill the germs.You still need to wash the mask and hose before you use the paptizer. So almost 100% effective.

BOVINE NUGGETS!
Also spam.
How much are you being paid by this tent show?
The paptizer name sounds like "baptizer"--like the pillow creep and his hypocritical cross.

Bobbo1234 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:50 pm

My concerns are to make sure that I kill all the germs. The paptizer says that it kills 99.9 % of germs. It does it without water. It works by UVC LED lights to kill the germs.You still need to wash the mask and hose before you use the paptizer. So almost 100% effective.

I think you asked an innocent question and hope you don't take the replies personally. These people hate to see companies scamming people. Keeping CPAP equipment clean and safe is easy and simple. There is no need to throw money away on expensive "sanitizing" equipment that is of little to no help.

Granny, some people are PAID to shill for these snake oil outfits.
The OP may not be one, but the content of his very first posts makes me suspicious.
Everybody has the right to make an HONEST living . . .

So lets talk about UVC (and not this specific device). Exposure to UVC for a certain period of time is a time-trusted disinfection technique. But it has several downsides, the most crucial to this use being that UVC is NOT transmitted by the materials used to make our CPAP systems. So all it can do is disinfect some of the external surface.

Another manufacturer has basically admitted that to be the case by designing a specific device to deliver UVC inside the hose ... only many slimline hoses have temperature probes that block the use of such a device anyway.

OK, that out of the way, let's talk goals. There are two to consider:
- Cleaning
- Disinfecting

UVC can ONLY do the disinfecting part, not the cleaning part. So if you want to focus on JUST germs, realize it is leaving behind all of the 'food' that germs grow on. So to really control germs you have to CLEAN. Cleaning (properly) also disinfects.

Last, lets talk need. No one is going to debate that cleanliness is a good thing (now one will say it is bad), but that doesn't mean you should do it on a certain schedule. (I suppose the argument could be made that some dirt in our lives is a good thing for keeping our immune systems working) Cleaning has disadvantages, other than the effort required (which is what the various disinfection schemes pray on). It also can accelerate wear, especially if you use any sort of friction in your cleaning (like a bristle brush for the inside of the tube),

A lot of people have mentioned that you're cleaning away your germs, which is technically true. A big if here: if you are immune compromised, a greater detail of cleanliness (note I did not say disinfection) is warranted. Even though its your own germs, if you are immune compromised you are increasing, viral or bacterial load beyond what you may be able to handle.

So in the end its up to you as to how much you clean and disinfect, but the overall opinion is that JUST disinfecting is a full waste of time.

If you ever see the ad for the "SoClean" device, make sure you read the VERY fine print that shows on screen barely long enough to read it. That's where they say you STILL should follow manufacturers cleaning directions. My question for consideration would be "If you are supposed to follow the manufacturers cleaning directions, and cleaning is known to disinfect, what benefit do you REALLY get? You have to ignore the sales spiel about convenience because while they say it they also refute it!

Oh, by the way, anything NOT cleaned and then exposed to UVC will stink to high heaven. You won't like it...

Let's put this to bed. With any luck I've captured everyone's points (and my own) in a single place that puts this whole thing to rest.

khauser wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:11 am

No one is going to debate that cleanliness is a good thing (now one will say it is bad),

YOU beat them to it! --->

khauser wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:11 am

(I suppose the argument could be made that some dirt in our lives is a good thing for keeping our immune systems working) Cleaning has disadvantages, other than the effort required (which is what the various disinfection schemes pray on). It also can accelerate wear, especially if you use any sort of friction in your cleaning (like a bristle brush for the inside of the tube),

Have a good day, GivesShelter!

khauser wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:11 am

Let's put this to bed. With any luck I've captured everyone's points (and my own) in a single place that puts this whole thing to rest.

It was already "put to bed":

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:18 am

by chunkyfrog » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:18 am

Yesterday at 11:18 am.
You just woke it back up.

Reminder:
You are NOT the moderator.

That would be Pugsy.

Nothing is ever totally put to bed here.
Not by my choice though.