Resmed Air Sense vs the SoClean Machine

Is there any truth that when using a SOClean machine with a Resmed AirSense11 machine that the CPCP machine would be harmed?

The machine, your lungs, your integrity, the warranties of major Cpap machine companies, etc, etc.

Do a forum search on SC and have fun reading!

Exposure to ozone can cause degradation of materials inside the machine. ResMed specifically excludes damage caused by exposure to ozone from its warranty:

https://www.resmed.com/en-us/product-wa ... formation/

You absolutely do not need anything like So Clean devices in order to clean your hoses, etc., and those devices can cause damage to your machine and, potentially, to you.

Read the Material (Safety) Data Sheet.
A major eye-opener.

Diamond#3 wrote: ↑

Mon May 02, 2022 11:04 am

Is there any truth that when using a SOClean machine with a Resmed AirSense11 machine that the CPCP machine would be harmed?

SoClean uses Ozone to disinfect

Google: ozone material compatibility

You will get thousands of hits returning lists of material incompatible with ozone, and causes them to breakdown prematurely. Here's one of them.

https://ozonesolutions.com/blog/ozone-c ... materials/

The effect ozone has on various substances is well known and well understood.

Given the large number of components within ResMed devices, and supplies there is a pretty good chance that some components within them is not compatible with ozone.

What you really should be asking is: If Ozone is an effective, safe disinfecting product, why wouldn't ResMed (and other CPAP) manufacturers be promoting ozone instead of denouncing them?

A local DME actually had a Resmed machine displayed
HOOKED up with a NOclean, IMPLYING exactly that!
(Last fall--long after the recall)
If anyone from Resmed has actually seen the display--I have no idea.
FYI--Frontier Medical Supply--and I never returned.

Damn So-Clean advertising. When I started CPAP I thought I HAD to have one of those or else I would catch a bacterial infection, flu, plague, syphilis, or worse.

I mean if you can't trust Captain Kirk, who the hell can you trust?

SJ-Paddler wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 11:14 am

I mean if you can't trust Captain Kirk, who the hell can you trust?

spock?

I guess the most concerning question is, what makes you think you need a "cleaning" device like this?

It seems there is evidence that shows ozone is harmful to certain plastics, but there is no scientific proof that these devices do anything more than clean your wallet.

ups4 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:04 am

I guess the most concerning question is, what makes you think you need a "cleaning" device like this?

To be fair, when you're new to this stuff it seems like a reasonable, clever way to keep your equipment clean.

They have really good marketing.

It is successful because too many people are germophobes,
but LAZY ones.
Lowest common denominator--low, and common.

loggerhead12 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:36 am

ups4 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:04 am

I guess the most concerning question is, what makes you think you need a "cleaning" device like this?

To be fair, when you're new to this stuff it seems like a reasonable, clever way to keep your equipment clean.

They have really good marketing.

I originally thought So-Clean actually "CLEANED" your equipment. They show a guy with sudsy water cleaning a hose and you think, I can go though all the fuss of cleaning with soap and water DAILY and drying or I could just hook up this thing and it will make it sparkly clean every day.

Except it does not actually clean anything.

loggerhead12 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:36 am

ups4 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:04 am

I guess the most concerning question is, what makes you think you need a "cleaning" device like this?

To be fair, when you're new to this stuff it seems like a reasonable, clever way to keep your equipment clean.

This may have been true a few years ago, but shouldn't still be an issue now adays:

• The CPAP user guide explicitly describes how they should be maintained and often specifically state; not to use these type of devices. New users not reading the care instructions have no one to blame but themselves.
• A lot of people are aware of the problems with ozone cleaning, but still will not accept it as being significant, or even true.
• Currently, millions of Respironics, former Respironics and non-Respironics users are very aware of the recall, and that some of the recalled units foam breakdown was contributed to by ozone. A common response was "Phillips is blaming the whole problem on SoClean". Willfull ignorance is huge.

Having said that, significant responsibility has to fall on DME's, online venders, Drs., and Sleep Techs, who should be aware of the problems and don't warn their patients, instead display, promote and sell them.

And then there's users like Dayquill and IAF, who get all upset should Dr's and other Sleep Disorder "professionals" be questioned. They want patients to blindly follow their advice.

ups4 wrote: ↑

Wed May 04, 2022 10:04 am

I guess the most concerning question is, what makes you think you need a "cleaning" device like this?

It seems there is evidence that shows ozone is harmful to certain plastics, but there is no scientific proof that these devices do anything more than clean your wallet.

Most concerning IMO is damage to lungs and the cancer risk.

But there is always a shill posting to say they use one and see nothing wrong with it.

https://www.sleepandattentiondisorders. ... ur-health/

Just me, my CPAP parts, and a sink of hot soapy (Johnson's Baby Shampoo) water every Sunday morning since 2011. Never had a problem with upper respiratory infections or the like.