NeuroCranial Restructuring

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NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by seanconnery » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:21 pm

Has anybody ever experienced this alternate method found on:

http://www.ncrdoctors.com

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:50 am

seanconnery,

Is your avatar a picture of the results of this cranial restructuring you linked?
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Post by Mikesus » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:28 am

Ummm I wouldn't do it

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Irrational and Unsafe

There is no published scientific evidence or logical reason to believe that NCR is effective for treating any of the conditions for which it is recommended. There is no reason to believe that the sphenoid bone can be safely manipulated or that moving it would provide health benefits. In addition, although few complications have been reported, there is good reason to believe that it can be harmful.

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Post by unclebob » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:10 am

Hi Mikesus,

I wouldn't dismiss this therapy outright. A friend of mine used it with some sucess in alleviating the terrible congestion he was experiencing in his right nostril.

They did utilize the bilateral nasal specific (BNS) baloon which was inserted into the nostril and in fact cured the congestion. He was able to breath freely again for the first time in years.

The only side effect he had was that the pressure in the sinus was transferred to his right eyeball which constricted it to about half the size of the left eyeball. Although he was breathing a lot better people thought he looked kind of odd, one eyeball half the size of the other and all. He tried to combat this with squinting with his left eye but it just took too much energy and in fact he sometimes forgot.

Finally went back to the clinic and they again used the NeuroCranial Restructuring (NCR) by inserting the baloon in his left ear. Because the procedure was not nasal insertion it was simply termed bilateral specific (BS)

Anyway it worked and the eyeball returned to it's normal size. Unfortuately the pressure was transferred back to his right nostril and the congestion returned.

His wife, who was looking for breast augmentation, also utilized this procedure. Unfortunately they could only afford half the operation. This has led to other complications, but that's another story.

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Take Dr. Barrett with a grain of salt

Post by Grant I » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:11 pm

Mike,
The rebuttal you posted about NCR was written by Stephen Barrett, an MD who is the #1 alternative medicine hate-monger. While I am not familiar with NCR, I am familiar with other types of cranial manipulations--which are all safe and many times effective when performed by a skilled, trained physician. Just wanted to level the field a bit...

Grant--I am a doctor, practice being a doctor, and even do cranial therapy at times...

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Post by Mikesus » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:56 pm

Its been around in one form or another for 60 years. Can you point to a single scientific study proving its efficacy?

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Post by Hugh Jass » Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:43 am

Filling my head with balloons just doesn't sit quite right with me.

However, cranial manipulations such as performed by an Osteopath, are quite helpful.

I was able to get rid of a lot of headache pain by seeing an Osteopath for a couple of months.
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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by Tyler » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:34 am

--- sorry everyone.. i think you may be right that it is dangerous, at least to perform it on yourself, but at the time i was so sold on the notion of its usefulness that i compelled myself to go out and spread the word.
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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:08 am

This may be a bad thing to mention; but this reminds me of an old movie, with three men in smocks
running around a hospital. "Paging Doctor Fine; Doctor Howard, please report to . . ."

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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by kteague » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:05 pm

Wow, a thread from 2005 gets brought back to life by someone self-practicing an invasive medical procedure. Yikes! I only know what I just read about this procedure so I can't speak to it's merits (or lack of) but I can say the advertisement linked to left me seeing red flags. A high focus on cosmetic effective with a wide spectrum of medical claims.

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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by nanwilson » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:13 pm

Reminds me of all the old western movies where the peddler came to town and was selling a bottle of "cure" all. Kills lung infection, kills cough, kills toenail fungus, fixes earache
Tyler you have just registered on his forum and you are trying to sell your procedure..... do you not blame us for thinking this is "snake oil"
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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by Tyler » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:36 pm

--trying to clean up my act, so i am taking down my mistaken posts.
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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by Tyler » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:00 pm

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Re: NeuroCranial Restructuring

Post by johnthomasmacdonald » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:03 pm

From what I could find it sounds like total quackery - zero published data in pubmed, no clinical trials, nothing

http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/ncr.html


Irrational and Unsafe

There is no published scientific evidence or logical reason to believe that NCR is effective for treating any of the conditions for which it is recommended. There is no reason to believe that the sphenoid bone can be safely manipulated or that moving it would provide health benefits. In addition, although few complications have been reported, there is good reason to believe that it can be harmful.

In 1983, during treatment with Bilateral Nasal Specific (a variant in which a finger cot is used as the balloon), a Canadian baby was asphyxiated after the finger cot slipped off the syringe on which it was mounted and lodged in the child's windpipe. The practitioner was found guilty of manslaughter, fined $1,000, and ordered to stop using BNS [5].

A case has reported of a 51-year-old woman who sustained fractures in two sectors of her nasal septum (the bone between the nostrils) during an NCR treatment in which balloons were inflated inside her nostrils. During the procedure, the patient heard a crunching sound and experienced severe midface pain accompanied by nosebleed. Surgery was required to reposition her nasal septum. The authors noted that if the balloons had been placed more deeply into the nose, disastrous complications could have occurred [6].

The Texas Board of Chiropractic Examiners has concluded that Nasal Specific Treatment is within chiropractic's scope as defined by state law. In 2001, the board stated:

Nasal Specific Treatment appears to be a correction of the cranial bones and, as such, appears to meet the criteria of being within the scope of practice of a Texas licensed chiropractor.

Please be advised that Occupations Code, 201.502 states that it is ground for refusing, revoking, or suspending a license for "failure to use proper diligence in the practice of chiropractic." In other words, the Board expects a licensee to be properly trained in any technique that the licensee uses on a patient. [7].

The board did not specify how one can get "proper training" in an improper procedure.

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