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bman · Post by **bman** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:57 am

Did anyone try buteyko breathing to help with the osa?

johnnygoodman · Post by **johnnygoodman** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:32 am

For those who would like a background on what this Buteyko Breathing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buteyko_technique

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:15 pm

bman wrote:Did anyone try buteyko breathing to help with the osa?

I have been worrying that it has exacerbated OSA.

Despite having a CPAP machine that was set to 15 (Now on AUTO & 13.5-16.5) my wife keeps telling me (nightly) that she hears me go into shallow breathing then I seem to stop - in the past couple of nights she says she can hear the machine running up the pressure & can hear my mask start to blow a gasket but she says I blissfully lay there not breathing - then I start again or she nudges me.

I used to practise buteyko a lot - I used to show how I could lower my heart rate & pressure using it - I haven't got to the bottom of this stopping breathing issue during sleep - there are times I am aware of it. It is a very comfortable feeling.

There is always the possibility of having mixed Apnia (Central & OSA) but I would have thought my sleep studies would pick that up easily if this is part of my Apnia condition ?

DSM

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bman · Post by **bman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:50 am

Thank you so much to you dsm for your feedback.

I was quite convinced by a person recently that this method fixed his sleep apnoea and apparently his partner reported his sleeping improved significantly ie not using his machine now. Anyway he just tried this method few weeks ago and certainly it's too early to tell.

Anyway my understanding is this buteyko thing has not been mainstream medicine thinking.

I like the sleeping on one's side idea though and certainly it is logical thinking. I think my AHI is now under 5 since sleeping on the side but the leakage has increased.

I think your case is certainly more retrospective in nature and it would be interesting to see whether one's AHI actually improved with any methods and by how much in a prospective way

Did anyone come across any study where the AHI improved with different measures like
1.sleeping on the side
2.taping mouth(tried the chin strapper recently and that shockingly increased my AHI many many folds higher and immediately dumped it. ?may have constricted my neck) etc

littlebaddow · Post by **littlebaddow** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:11 am

bman wrote:Did anyone come across any study where the AHI improved with different measures like
1.sleeping on the side

I don't know of any studies, but certainly I have experienced better results sleeping on my side rather than my back. I had to sleep on my back for the sleep study - the mask was the size of a small family car - and had an AHI over 20 and was prescribed pressure of 11cm.

However, once I got a comfortable mask and an apap, I was able to sleep on my side as normal, and generally spend almost all of the night at 6cm or 7cm and get an AHI below 1.

The doc was at a loss to explain this, but it finally dawned on me that sleeping position was the probable cause.

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dsm · Post by **dsm** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:17 pm

My wife keeps telling me that my apnea is a certainty if I sleep on my back. My problem is I like sleeping on my back as that was when I used to practice the breathing method. I used to think of it as a form of meditation.

I believe the physiological reason for the hihger AHI's on the back are that the airway is going to constrict so much easier when we lay on our back. - lungs create a pressure differential - this encourages throat muscles & tongue to move back which create a seal & block air flow into lungs. When on our side the pressure difference has to be far greater for the above seal to occur.

Cheers

DSM

madfin · Post by **madfin** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:37 pm

What materials/providers do you recommend getting information from? I'm very interested in trying this but not sure where to start. Also Buteyko apparently believes that mouth breathing is a bad thing. Does anyone have any experience or evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that training yourself to stop mouth breathing even while awake is a good thing?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:43 pm

Yes.
Click on this: Mouth Breathing
Be sure to keep scolling down all the way to the end. Fascinating reading.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:48 pm

And this:
Benefits of Nose Breathing

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