Cpap machine under bed???

last night I didnt use my cpap machine because I wanted to be able to roll around on my bed from the east coast to the west coast, the table next to my bed doesnt allow me to go all the way to the west coast, I thought maybe If I put the cpap machine under the bed or glued it to the ceiling I could move all around

Any good ideas


ps I am so TIRED today

get a longer hose
and hang it somehow above you

i have an 8' hose and it's hanging from a hook above my bed. I can roll all over and not get tangled up

I'm not certain here, it's just a thought. If your machine isn't a flexible pressure machine and is set to a certain pressure, getting a longer hose may affect therapy. NOT SURE though. Just a thought. And if it did, you'd want to know this before getting adventurous.

Any guru's out there know for certain?

Nope! Length of the hose does NOT affect pressure. Length DOES affect flow rate, but unless you have in mind a 50' hose, I wouldn't worry.

It might also change the EPR/c-flex response time, but probably not enough to notice.

I was pretty sure my machine has a setting for hose length (maybe in the clinic menu) so it should compensate for the extra length if you tell it to.

Some manufacturers have a setting on their machine for the length of hose used.
Gerry

pitrow wrote:I was pretty sure my machine has a setting for hose length (maybe in the clinic menu) so it should compensate for the extra length if you tell it to.

ResMed machines have that option. Respironics machines don't have such a setting. But you can use longer hoses (like a 10 foot hose) with other brands, including Respironics, just fine, as far as I know, even without a setting for "hose length."

I use a 10ft. hose. I can't have the machine next to my bed in the RV so I started using a 10ft hose. I have to have it on the shelf at the end of the bed where the TV is. I found that way some times I would pull it of the shelf, so now I use the drawer next to the bed I have hose routed over my head in the RV. I found that doing the same thing about routing the hose I can sleep without pulling the machine off the shelf.
good luck
Happy Hose Worship.

Patrick A wrote:I use a 10ft. hose. I can't have the machine next to my bed in the RV so I started using a 10ft hose. I have to have it on the shelf at the end of the bed where the TV is. I found that way some times I would pull it of the shelf, so now I use the drawer next to the bed I have hose routed over my head in the RV. I found that doing the same thing about routing the hose I can sleep without pulling the machine off the shelf.
good luck
Happy Hose Worship.

Wow! I laughed a little bit envisioning myself putting my machine out in the barn - that ought to keep those evil blue eyes from peeping at me : ) I wonder if a longer hose decreases or increases rainout. A longer hose could theoretically keep a majority of the water from reaching the mask, and then again there is more hose to condensate so perhaps it increases it. Hummm.

Patrick A wrote:some times I would pull it of the shelf,

OUCH!!!

I had the same problem with the hose getting tangled as I am a side sleeper and roll from side to side all night long...

After reading these forums I ordered a less expensive hose hanger from cpap.com and it solved all of my problems.
I also bought an 8ft hose but found that the 6 ft was suficient to let me roam around the bed...

Works like a charm!!
https://www.cpap.com/viewImage.php?PNum ... -hose2.jpg

I use 2 six foot hoses hooked together. The Machine sits on my bed side table, then the hose goes above my pillows, and is hooked to the middle of the headboard with a Velcro strap. Then it lays on the bed (under the covers) down between me and the wife, to about my waist, then bends back to my mask. This allows me to move anywhere on the bed, or even sit up with the mask on. I think, Having the hose run behind the pillows, and under the bed is why I do not have any rain out problems.

conmbo1 wrote:last night I didnt use my cpap machine because I wanted to be able to roll around on my bed from the east coast to the west coast, the table next to my bed doesnt allow me to go all the way to the west coast, I thought maybe If I put the cpap machine under the bed or glued it to the ceiling I could move all around

Any good ideas


ps I am so TIRED today

That is interesting... because I find that when I'm using the machine (which is 100% of the time) I pretty much stay in one position and do not thrash about the bed.

When I was not under therapy I was thrashing about enough to be moving the mattress around on the box spring.

Longer hose with an overhead routing for the hose should accommodate thrashing about.

LinkC wrote:Nope! Length of the hose does NOT affect pressure. Length DOES affect flow rate, but unless you have in mind a 50' hose, I wouldn't worry.

It might also change the EPR/c-flex response time, but probably not enough to notice.

Hose length DEFINITELY affects pressure. The hose acts just like an electrical resistor, with the added 'fun' that air is a compressible medium.

If the flow is zero, the pressure at the end of any length or diameter hose will be the same as the output of the machine. But as soon as you start to have moving air in the hose, you have friction between the hose wall and the air. This impedes the flow of the air, turning the impeded flow energy into heat (generally not enough to measure at the low pressures used for CPAP). On a 10 foot hose, the pressure could be as much as 1-2 cm lower than at the machine, using typical flow rates used for therapy.

Furthermore, many machines sense your breathing through the hose. Some machines are even looking for minute changes, like pressure changes caused by your heart beating. Not only does the length of the hose degrade these signals due to friction losses, but the compressability of the air allows different kinds of 'standing waves' in the hose that may affect the accuracy of what is sensed. the longer the hose, the more the standing wave effect is (some of you may have noticed the pressure in your mask 'oscillate' a bit after an abrupt pressure change. I have noticed this.). A few machines include a small sample hose along with the main hose (ResMed ASV machine, for one) to allow the machine to compensate for hose pressure losses and to be more sensitive to what is happening at the patient end of the hose. There is little or no flow through this sample hose.

I use a 12 foot hose, made up of 2 six foot hoses connected together, just like Sleepless Sam. The hose leaves the machine, which sits on a little table at the end of my nightstand (a filing cabinet). The hose goes behind the nightstand, and is routed to the bed by two hooks mounted on the wall (no headboard). It loops down under the covers as Sleepless Sam describes, and comes back up to the mask. I switch sides a lot, so this gives me freedom to move with little fear of pulling my machine off its stand.

The IntelliPAP machine only has settings for 6 and 10 foot hoses. So i experimented extensively to find out if the longer hose would be a problem. I started with a six foot hose and the machine set for a six foot hose. I compared this to the 12 foot hose with the machine set for 10 feet. I saw little or no therapy difference, so I continue to use the longer hose. This may not work in all cases. If you want to use a nonstandard length hose, especially with an autoPAP or bilevel machine, do plenty of experiments to make sure a longer hose is not causing a problem.

I'm a side sleeper, and roll back and forth all night long. I have a 6 foot hose, and a queen sized bed. I sleep in the middle of the bed, and route the hose over my head, off the pillow, along the crack between the mattress and the headboard, and off to the bedside shelf where the cpap is. No problems. No tangling.

Try over-the-head routing, vs. a hose going down your body. You might find it much more comfortable. I can't stand masks that demand the hose go down my body.

Cheers,
B.