OT: Sugar and lies

Just finished a book by William Davis MD called "wheat Belly" where he documents amazing results in his patients by getting them to give up ALL wheat based products. He notes that that the wheat we eat now is a totally different species than what was eaten prior to world war 2 . " Amber waves of grain", wheat was 4 feet tall now they use a cross with other grasses that is a foot high and produces 10 times more wheat. The problem is that he claims that this new strain was never tested on humans and its use tracks perfectly with the massive jump in obesity and many other illnesses. His advice seems pretty reasonable: give up ALL wheat based products for a month and see how you feel. I'm currently trying it and I feel like I've got the flu, which is what he actually predicts happens in many during the first week of coming off it. It's particularly rough for me since I've been a vegan for around 30 years, more veggies i guess. Luckily I'm not that into food.

Dreamstaker: Are you aware that the American Medical Association (AMA) cut a deal with Big Tobacco back in the 50s that stayed in place for decades. The AMA wouldn't mention the harms of tobacco if big tobacco supported their lobbying efforts against Nationalized Health Care which they called "socialized medicine". Certainly killed orders of magnitude more americans than Bin Laden ever managed.

The manipulation of public policy through deception and various other means is nothing new of course. See Chomsky.

Those who believe in regulation of food subscribe to the tenet that stupid people need to be protected from themselves. I can't say I disagree entirely when I see a young mother mix up a batch of Koolaid for her kids, adding a pound of sugar.

Even the more educated of us understand that something like high fructose corn syrup is bad for us, but we'll buy items containing it just the same, because we can't be bothered to read labels. But if the studies that tell us it's bad are manipulated to tell us the opposite, then where are we?

johnthomasmacdonald wrote:Just finished a book by William Davis MD called "wheat Belly" where he documents amazing results in his patients by getting them to give up ALL wheat based products. I'm currently trying it and I feel like I've got the flu, which is what he actually predicts happens in many during the first week of coming off it. It's particularly rough for me since I've been a vegan for around 30 years, more veggies i guess. Luckily I'm not that into food.

Yes I read that and the effect of going off wheat can be amazing in a variety of ways. That flu feeling is short term. It tells you that wheat was doing something not nice to your body. There is far more Celiacs, gluten allergy, and gluten intolerance around now and it is often really hard to diagnose. The change in my sister since I got her off wheat and other glutens is dramatic. She has more energy, she is clearer mentally and lots of other small issues have cleared up. In fact some of the major effects of going gluten free that I see on the GF forum is very similar to what I see on this forum.

You might want to increase the nuts in your diet to increase the protein. It is quite hard to be vegan and gluten free and still get all the nutrients you need.

RandyJ wrote:The manipulation of public policy through deception and various other means is nothing new of course. See Chomsky.

Those who believe in regulation of food subscribe to the tenet that stupid people need to be protected from themselves. I can't say I disagree entirely when I see a young mother mix up a batch of Koolaid for her kids, adding a pound of sugar.

Even the more educated of us understand that something like high fructose corn syrup is bad for us, but we'll buy items containing it just the same, because we can't be bothered to read labels. But if the studies that tell us it's bad are manipulated to tell us the opposite, then where are we?

The thing is that you can't expect everyone to be educated on all these subjects. They don't teach nutrition in school anymore. They used to and they started it back around the turn of the previous century to teach it to people how to clean and feed your children as a public health service - and it worked. Where is that young mother going to learn to serve water instead of koolaid? Who is going to tell her? Why would anyone tell her? Her mother probably served it too because it was convenient and cheap.

And how did you decide that high fructose corn syrup was bad for you? The companies that make it say it is just concentrated sugar.

Oh boy. People wanting to protect me from myself. Or worse yet protect me from my young mother.

Another federal agency?

DeadlySleep wrote:Oh boy. People wanting to protect me from myself. Or worse yet protect me from my young mother.

Another federal agency?

It's sad, but someone has to... (I thought, as I watched the young mother hand her toddler a sippy cup full of Koolaid as she exhaled cigarette smoke in his face.)

DeadlySleep wrote:Oh boy. People wanting to protect me from myself. Or worse yet protect me from my young mother.

Another federal agency?

No. Adequate education on nutrition in highschool. Proper affordable pre natal education. Simple stuff the rest of the world tries to do.

sippy cup full of Koolaid as she exhaled cigarette smoke in his face

Do you have any idea how many parents physically and mentally abuse and neglect their kids? The jails would not hold them all.

Stay away from the lady's koolaid and cigs.

RandyJ wrote:The manipulation of public policy through deception and various other means is nothing new of course. See Chomsky.

Those who believe in regulation of food subscribe to the tenet that stupid people need to be protected from themselves. I can't say I disagree entirely when I see a young mother mix up a batch of Koolaid for her kids, adding a pound of sugar.

Even the more educated of us understand that something like high fructose corn syrup is bad for us, but we'll buy items containing it just the same, because we can't be bothered to read labels. But if the studies that tell us it's bad are manipulated to tell us the opposite, then where are we?

I don't think there is a need to protect people from themselves through regulation. I do however think we have a responsibility to protect people from themselves through education ... what they do with the knowledge should be left for them to decide.

As for labels, there is no need for reading labels if we just educate people not to eat anything that comes with a label. Eat fresh meats and vegetables and there is no need to read labels.

DreamStalker wrote: As for labels, there is no need for reading labels if we just educate people not to eat anything that comes with a label. Eat fresh meats and vegetables and there is no need to read labels.

Try to find a fresh vegie in my neighbourhood that hasn't spent a week travelling to get here. A head of lettuce currently is about $4. There are green things that might be a banana or maybe a cucumber over in the other aisle. And we are not talking organic here either, that costs more then lobster.

How are people working two minimum wage jobs going to find the time to cook said fresh meat and vegies, assuming they can find them and can afford them?

BlackSpinner wrote:

DreamStalker wrote: As for labels, there is no need for reading labels if we just educate people not to eat anything that comes with a label. Eat fresh meats and vegetables and there is no need to read labels.

Try to find a fresh vegie in my neighbourhood that hasn't spent a week travelling to get here. A head of lettuce currently is about $4. There are green things that might be a banana or maybe a cucumber over in the other aisle. And we are not talking organic here either, that costs more then lobster.

How are people working two minimum wage jobs going to find the time to cook said fresh meat and vegies, assuming they can find them and can afford them?

No wonder the grocery stores in Grand Forks, ND are some of the busiest in the nation. HUGE volumes of Canadians come down in trucks and SUVs and pack their vehicles to the ceiling every weekend. Milk is one of their favorites. The Walmart and Target stores have ARMIES of stockers to replenish the shelves during and after each weekend, I know because my son was one at Target this summer. I think that's the top grossing Target in the USA or in a close 2nd or 3rd.

BlackSpinner wrote:

DreamStalker wrote: As for labels, there is no need for reading labels if we just educate people not to eat anything that comes with a label. Eat fresh meats and vegetables and there is no need to read labels.

Try to find a fresh vegie in my neighbourhood that hasn't spent a week travelling to get here. A head of lettuce currently is about $4. There are green things that might be a banana or maybe a cucumber over in the other aisle. And we are not talking organic here either, that costs more then lobster.

How are people working two minimum wage jobs going to find the time to cook said fresh meat and vegies, assuming they can find them and can afford them?

Hmmm ... well people cooked their own food for tens of thousands of years before the first McDonalds ever opened. Surely it can be done ... but what do I know, I learned to cook my own food when I was 8 years old.

It's funny how many here seem to be infuriated by any attempt by any source - government or private - to point out what foods are good for the vast majority of people

Ask yourself what the balance is between advertising for REAL FOOD that is good for you: carrots, spinach, cucumbers, apples, strawberries, walnuts, almonds ( i'm vegan but free-range eggs, organic beef and chicken) VERSES Burger King Ads, Beer Ads, MacDonalds Ads, Kentucky Fried Chicken, taco bell, Doritos, Cocoa Puff cereal, lucky charms cereal, Kellogs cereals, Pop Tarts, Reeces Pieces

johnthomasmacdonald wrote:It's funny how many here seem to be infuriated by any attempt by any source - government or private - to point out what foods are good for the vast majority of people

Ask yourself what the balance is between advertising for REAL FOOD that is good for you: carrots, spinach, cucumbers, apples, strawberries, walnuts, almonds ( i'm vegan but free-range eggs, organic beef and chicken) VERSES Burger King Ads, Beer Ads, MacDonalds Ads, Kentucky Fried Chicken, taco bell, Doritos, Cocoa Puff cereal, lucky charms cereal, Kellogs cereals, Pop Tarts, Reeces Pieces

Yes. Without any assistance people are supposed to figure out who is telling the truth. They are supposed to be able to ignore professional mind twisters and food designed to be addictive and find their way to ..... carrots and cabbage.... and spend hours in the kitchen after spending hours online or reading books to figure out what to do with this. After a day working and also walking by these places. All by themselves.