Rainout

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Crazy Eddie
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Rainout

Post by Crazy Eddie » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:12 pm

So its my first winter with the CPAP and it's starting to get colder. I can't sleep with the window shut, just can't do it. Last night I suffered from rainout really bad.

I tried to change the humidifier setting to 1, but I was dried out in mere minutes. My normal setting in 2 and I still need to spray stuff in there before bed and after getting up.

I have a heated hose already, so that's not going to help. I thought maybe the short distance between the heated hose and the "super light" hose that hooks up to my pillows was a probably culprit...so I cut a hole in a sock and strapped in on with rubber bands. This helped a moderate amount, but not enough.

Keeping it down and under the blanket helped more. I still had some condensation, and a couple drips when I'd flip over, but I wasn't drowning.

I'd like to find a better solution though. My pressure requirements are rather high and so the vent really blasts. These pillows point that blast downward, so it ends up blowing on my arms or the blanket...making a bunch of noise and being generally uncomfortable. I prefer to have it flipped above my head, but then it's not covered and I end up waking in the middle of the night with my breathing passages full of water.

Is there a way to get what I want or is something going to have to give?

I'm using the swift fx.

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Re: Rainout

Post by Pugsy » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:21 pm

With the PR S1 heated hose you have 2 settings available.
One being the amount of humidity to be delivered ...settings 1 through 3
The other being the temperature of the air going through the hose and those settings are 1 through 5...with 5 being the highest.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/pr-sys ... ifier.html
This humidifier offers three levels of humidification (70, 80 or 90 percent) and the heated tube has five levels of temperature available, ranging from 4 to 16 degrees above the room temperature. These two features work together to deliver the optimum humidification level at the mask.

So make sure you have the temperature maxed out for best chance to limit condensation.

Where is the rain out the main problem? Mask or hose?

I like a cold bedroom myself and even with a heated hose I still had condensation in the nasal pillows themselves because the air we exhale contains moisture and the incoming air contains moisture and it starts cooling pretty quickly in the nasal pillow barrel in a cold bedroom.
I got a barrel cozy from Padacheek.com and it helped with the condensation at the mask level.
http://www.padacheek.com/PACSwiftII_Barrel_cozy.html
She also makes some pretty awesome short hose cozies.

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Re: Rainout

Post by JDS74 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:25 pm

From your description, the room air temperature must get quite low.

That being the case, a sock on the mask hose is not enough insulation to do the job.
You need to purchase some material or commercial product that will really insulate well. I use fleece fabric from the fabric store that is about one quarter inch thick and wrap it around the tubing that runs from the hose to the mask itself. Be careful you don't block the vent as that will interfere with the efficacy of the CPAP machine - you need that vent open to get rid of the CO2 in your exhaled breath.

If you still get rainout from the mask itself, you may need to make a little tent around the mask to provide additional insultation. Perhaps the Pad-A-Cheek lady has some product fitted to your mask that will help.

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Re: Rainout

Post by Crazy Eddie » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Pugsy wrote:With the PR S1 heated hose you have 2 settings available.
One being the amount of humidity to be delivered ...settings 1 through 3
The other being the temperature of the air going through the hose and those settings are 1 through 5...with 5 being the highest.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/pr-sys ... ifier.html
This humidifier offers three levels of humidification (70, 80 or 90 percent) and the heated tube has five levels of temperature available, ranging from 4 to 16 degrees above the room temperature. These two features work together to deliver the optimum humidification level at the mask.

So make sure you have the temperature maxed out for best chance to limit condensation.

Where is the rain out the main problem? Mask or hose?

I like a cold bedroom myself and even with a heated hose I still had condensation in the nasal pillows themselves because the air we exhale contains moisture and the incoming air contains moisture and it starts cooling pretty quickly in the nasal pillow barrel in a cold bedroom.
I got a barrel cozy from Padacheek.com and it helped with the condensation at the mask level.
http://www.padacheek.com/PACSwiftII_Barrel_cozy.html
She also makes some pretty awesome short hose cozies.
I ordered both. Will see what happens.

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Re: Rainout

Post by knightlite » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:44 pm

The hose tugging on the mask will make it leak especially if you toss from side to side. Put a hook on your headboard ,tie your hose up there with a girls hair scrunchy, that will let it flex. Or buy the hose buddy on amazon and tie it to the hook on the headboard , that's the way I do it. I had to because I was getting a sore neck with the weight if the hose and hose cozy.
Sleep on the edge of the pillow with the mask hanging over it . You can buy a notched pillow for that purpose. I turn all night and automatically go to the edges.
The hose loop over your head will also help stop rainout , moisture condensing in the hose. Get your machine below your mattress to help quiet it and for the moisture to run back into the humidifier. If you need a longer hose they have an 18 inch short hose and a swivel coupling on cpap.com.
One of the best additions is the padacheek liner for your mask . It wicks away face oil, breath moisture, stops mask from sliding around, it reduces leaks for most people. .It is washable and lasts a good while . The soft feel is the best thing it is a great feeling. I wash my oily face every night to help stop leaks and I wash my liner and mask
Good luck with the rainout

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