SoClean CPAP Cleaner: Comments?

[Goofproof]

and buy Vit "C", timed release, CAP's I'm getting ready to reorder today. The wife and I take 1,000 mg a day, more up to 3.000 mg a day if sick or exposed.

Most scientists agree that vitamin C is not an effective treatment for the common cold.

http://www.yalescientific.org/2015/03/m ... ally-help/

I don't read articles, too many of them on both sides of everything depending on who profits. If I did I would wait 5 years until they reversed their findings. I just wet my finger, hold it up, find out what way the wind blows, and using my other hand hold on to my hat. Jim

[DreamStalker]

and buy Vit "C", timed release, CAP's I'm getting ready to reorder today. The wife and I take 1,000 mg a day, more up to 3.000 mg a day if sick or exposed.

Most scientists agree that vitamin C is not an effective treatment for the common cold.

http://www.yalescientific.org/2015/03/m ... ally-help/

I don't read articles, too many of them on both sides of everything depending on who profits. If I did I would wait 5 years until they reversed their findings. I just wet my finger, hold it up, find out what way the wind blows, and using my other hand hold on to my hat. Jim

Oh I see ... So it's like climate change huh?

[DeepFriedDuck]

I don't read articles

Ask your wife. She will probably read an occasional article to you.

[Goofproof]

I don't read articles

Ask your wife. She will probably read an occasional article to you.

I can read quite well, providing the type is big enough, I just won't because the content is bias and crap, but most people don't know the difference. I just chose to wait 5 years until science reverses its self, or 10 years until they reverse the reverse back. Jim

[flightco]

I haven’t seen any facts in this thread, but lots of opinion. What is funny is to look at the reviews on Amazon of people who actually own the device. It is rated very well by those who use it.

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

[flightco]

This thread is kind of funny. Reminds me of a guy who hates Ford trucks. Now he's never owned one and never been in one. But he read somewhere where they were crap.

I have a SoClean and have been using for around 3 -4 years. I've never seen any kind of living crap on my mask, in my hose or in my humidifier chamber.

I don't have a microscope to check for critters but I've never had any respiratory issues while using it.

Eventually the hoses pick up a yellow tinge from the ozone exposure but they're quite usable. The ozone odor is very noticeable during the cleaning cycle so it pumps out quite a bit.

A couple of years ago, the latch broke on my unit, well out of warranty. I called them and they wanted to have a look so I mailed it to them. About a week later, I get back a new one. No charge.

There is a nag message about every three months letting me know the 2 filters need changed. I've looked at the filters and they remain clean. So with a 2 button press, I dismiss the message for another 3 months or so.

I believe it works as advertised. I know I feel better about my equipment.

The key to your entire story "you "believe" it works" That is all anyone can say about it

I have been on CPAP for about 3 years, fewer colds than any other time in my life so that also is meaningless. I did have a SoClean returned it when I realized it was a scam; and as for those who comment without ever owning one, you don't need to be an ass to know shit stinks.

[flightco]

This thread is kind of funny. Reminds me of a guy who hates Ford trucks. Now he's never owned one and never been in one. But he read somewhere where they were crap.

I have a SoClean and have been using for around 3 -4 years. I've never seen any kind of living crap on my mask, in my hose or in my humidifier chamber.

I don't have a microscope to check for critters but I've never had any respiratory issues while using it.

Eventually the hoses pick up a yellow tinge from the ozone exposure but they're quite usable. The ozone odor is very noticeable during the cleaning cycle so it pumps out quite a bit.

A couple of years ago, the latch broke on my unit, well out of warranty. I called them and they wanted to have a look so I mailed it to them. About a week later, I get back a new one. No charge.

There is a nag message about every three months letting me know the 2 filters need changed. I've looked at the filters and they remain clean. So with a 2 button press, I dismiss the message for another 3 months or so.

I believe it works as advertised. I know I feel better about my equipment.

Lucy, the objections do not usually come because someone owns a SoClean, they come because they are either trying to persuade others they should own one or they are a shill for the company who's sole form of advertisement is scare tactics.


Which simply means different strokes for different folks. It's YOUR money and you are entitled to spend it any way you like. Having sleep apnea isn't the most fun, so if using a SoClean machine helps you feel better about the equipment, I would say that's a win. Many say that if you think the machine actually does what it says, you are experiencing a placebo effect. Even if that is true, who cares! If your numbers are good and you feel good... that's all that matters!

No, I don't use a SoClean machine.

[flightco]

I haven’t seen any facts in this thread, but lots of opinion. What is funny is to look at the reviews on Amazon of people who actually own the device. It is rated very well by those who use it.

I am going to give you a couple more facts.

1. cut and paste from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ (NCBI is the National Center for Biotechnology Information) This system integrates the ozone gas generator with the air conditioning system by proper control. The design specifications for the system included an ozone gas concentration of 200 ppm or more, relative humidity of 80% or more,

Cut and paste from SoClean website The ozone concentration is up to 25PPM (parts per million).
notice the difference, up to 25ppm vs 200ppm or more. The comparison is simplified to say so clean is less than 25ppm, government approved system greater than 200ppm. Quite a difference wouldn't you say?

2. For those who think it is so great they never need to remove your equipment from soclean, ozone WILL NOT sterilize oil, mucus and dirt. Cut and paste from The Process of cleaning and sterilizing, this is from YDM corporation the maker of surgical instrumentation.
The importance of cleaning
Many people tend to think that cleaning process is less important than sterilization and disinfection to avoid the
infection.However appropriate and immediate cleaning after use can eliminate 99.99% of bacteria and there is
almost no possibility of infection through uninjured hands. Cleaning can be expected to work in the same way as
disinfection and can reduse the risk of infection.Conversely, the insufficient cleaning would remain some protein
containing microbes on instruments. It would make the sterilization and disinfection process insufficient.
99.99% of bacteria is eliminated from cleaning alone. This is a requirement regardless of the type of sterilization being performed (Hi pressure steam, ETO Gas, Vaporized Hydrogen Peroxide and Ozone) If your stuff is dirty, the germs will not be killed even if you have the correct ppm of ozone

[Goofproof]

You could get the same PPM of ozone just connect 8 So No Clean units in a series. $ 300 times 8 = $ 2,400. Still won't clean your mask, probably won't kill the germs, except for the ones setting under the feet of the machines, but it will remove most of the germs from your billfold on that $ 2,400 in Obama Dollars you use to have.

Instead of that little feel good of owning a No Clean, you should feel even 8 times better. I hope ISIS doesn't get a franchise. Jim

If North Korea got a franchise, they could put a load of them in a missile, and kill our good germs.

[palerider]

I can only assume that it is effective for bacterial removal because "How can we know" unless we have our equipment tested.

Do you believe *everything* that every company's marketing department tells you? Are you eagerly awaiting your Airing shipment?

Personally I am happy just to have my equipment smell and feel clean.

Even their own docs say that the machine does not clean! you have to do that manually.

Noclean, for the easily deluded.

[palerider]

I haven’t seen any facts in this thread, but lots of opinion. What is funny is to look at the reviews on Amazon of people who actually own the device. It is rated very well by those who use it.

I am going to give you a couple more facts.

Just watch all the nocleaners.... they'll STILL BELIEVE... because if their faith is shaken, then they have to admit

THAT THEY WERE SCAMMED.

[Midnight Strangler]

Just watch all the nocleaners.... they'll STILL BELIEVE... because if their faith is shaken, then they have to admit

THAT THEY WERE SCAMMED.

Don't worry, they can retreat to their home - the FB page of David Avocado Wolfe!

[jsielke]

This thread is kind of funny. Reminds me of a guy who hates Ford trucks. Now he's never owned one and never been in one. But he read somewhere where they were crap.

I have a SoClean and have been using for around 3 -4 years. I've never seen any kind of living crap on my mask, in my hose or in my humidifier chamber.

I don't have a microscope to check for critters but I've never had any respiratory issues while using it.

Eventually the hoses pick up a yellow tinge from the ozone exposure but they're quite usable. The ozone odor is very noticeable during the cleaning cycle so it pumps out quite a bit.

A couple of years ago, the latch broke on my unit, well out of warranty. I called them and they wanted to have a look so I mailed it to them. About a week later, I get back a new one. No charge.

There is a nag message about every three months letting me know the 2 filters need changed. I've looked at the filters and they remain clean. So with a 2 button press, I dismiss the message for another 3 months or so.

I believe it works as advertised. I know I feel better about my equipment.

I also use one and like it. But if you want to get the "wanna be xxyzx" types to come out of the woodwork, just mention SoClean.

[BayColo]

You know, I thought this would be a good website to share experiences but it seems really mean spirited. We all have an opinion to share and what works for one doesn't necessarily work for others. If I am happy with the $199 I spent and want to share my experiences who does it hurt. I am not posting as an expert. As far as I know, So Clean has never claimed to "clean" your equipment only sanitize. I am happy for those who have discovered what they believe to be a "scam" because they have peace of mind knowing that they "figured it out". However, why ridicule those of us who have used and feel comfort from it's use. Perhaps we were smart enough to have the knowledge that you still will need to pre-wash. That, at least, is what I knew when I purchased it. I stated that it had a clean smell, I did not state that it was cleaned. I stated that I do wash my equipment once a week because I don't have an oil or makeup problem. All that was quoted was that I like the clean and fresh smell.

[chunkyfrog]

Even IF it killed all the germs; if you do not WASH the cpap equipment,
then it is still COVERED with various types of debris--FOOD FOR NEW MICROBES!
No way they can ignore that lovely buffet of unclaimed organic material!
Shill until you earn your payment, but we have a right to prove you WRONG.